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Archive2 Do You Know Who Is John Suedi Syahputra Purba ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Antelope2019 (talk • contribs) 07:07, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I understand and I agree. But the results of the Indonesia-Malaysia Confrontation are more properly called the Indonesian and Malaysian Peace Treaty. As you correct, the completion of the confrontation was not due to the inability of the Indonesian military to continue the war, but due to the fall of Sukarno due to the PKI g30s which made Suharto President. Suharto chose to finish the war with a peace agreement called the Bangkok Agreement of 11 August 1966. Therefore, the outcome of this war is more properly called the "Indonesia-Malaysia Peace Treaty", Please for your understanding and thank you for your attention.

For the second time, you have reverted my insertion of a cross reference. This is not reasonable behavior. Please do not do it again. Atla5Atla5 (talk) 17:03, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You have reverted all my recent edits to Chinese Indonesians without proper explanation. The edits included addition of a cross reference, removal of vague statements and factual corrections. If you have concerns with specific edits, please address them, rather than unilaterally reverting. Atla5Atla5 (talk) 00:09, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Just when the fun starts :) SatuSuro 05:51, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ngurah Rai - there are actually more incidents than there are destinations if one includes the number of times planes either get abandoned or simply sit on that tarmac for preiods of time with inadequate explanation as to why :) SatuSuro 08:47, 17 January 2010 (UTC) Actually (hahah very comomnly used by non native speakers yes? ) the Indonesian airport articles have mostly turned into a heap of shit - a classic case of messes that clearly no one has taken the little anak by the hand walked them out into the open and given a big cleanup to clear the dust from the lungs :) SatuSuro 09:40, 17 January 2010 (UTC) BTW you need to archive mate - messages from blocked users etc need dark hole to go to :) SatuSuro 09:42, 17 January 2010 (UTC) WOW - whoosh! happy new year too! SatuSuro 09:51, 17 January 2010 (UTC) I have just gouged SCTV for the umpteenth time - this time all to the talk page - unredeemed unalphabetic rubbish SatuSuro 09:57, 17 January 2010 (UTC) Yeah its the gotta make an unalpha list syndrome :( SatuSuro 12:26, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Davidelit. I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of Pelangi Kasih School Jakarta, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: A7 does not apply to schools. Thank you. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 17:35, 25 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wow - almost as brilliant as WP:PROF - I cannot wait for a bunch of surabayan primary school kids putting up their schools as notable and important, and all the school policy strict eds come out and save them from deletion and we get clogged with non notable schools because of their insistence that they are notable - talk about shooting in the foot with a bazooka - whaddya think of open sauce javanism - doesnt it feel like (I know you love the stuff) dukuns and thoyuls and mystical bajajs in the ocean of bliss and so on.... SatuSuro 15:37, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Actually we do have a kid from surabaya who did put himself up as the 10th president of indonesia on mainspace a few days ago [1] - at this rate we should have a kid from jakarta putting up himself as ruler of the universe within the month :( SatuSuro 07:20, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You might want to check this out: Record-Keeper of the exiled and forgotten (including an e-mail link) and related audio slide show from The Jakarta Post. Arsonal (talk) 07:13, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns which you can see at Talk:Indonesian National Revolution/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 18:39, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I am a Medan citizen and I want to ask you where did you take this photo (File:MedanSkyline.jpg) ? I never seen this place before in Medan... Thx.  Kenrick  Talk 09:28, 9 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ooh... terima kasih (Tambahan : Hotel itu kalau tidak salah bernama "City International" "A member of City Inn Group")  Kenrick  Talk 04:35, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tidak... Saya tinggal didekat Thamrin Plaza (tepatnya di kelurahan ini) dan waktu saya mau ke toko pangkas rambut, selalu lewat hotel itu...  Kenrick  Talk 04:54, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am not supporting either view at List of Indonesians - it is a sad reflection of how little we have left at the Indonesian project if we cannot keep a list on watch - my comment from 2 years ago is my reason for sitting on the fence - if it was on watch and only linked to notable persons articles I have not a problem with it existing. Sorry If i disappoint your on this! SatuSuro 02:13, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Have gone and over tagged it - machine indeed - indonesian terms throughout the article - hmmm - what do they really think wp en is for? dumping junk? SatuSuro 04:38, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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His attempted kidnapping story is interesting, but I think it might now be too long for that article. I'm looking at creating a separate article and summarising the coverage in the subject's main page. What do you think? cheers --Merbabu (talk) 14:15, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand. I mean, I can understand a possible dispute over whether Abdurrahman Wahid was a Zionist, but what did you mean by possible POV category? A Zionist is just someone who supports and believes in Israel's right to exist with a Jewish presence. Wahid's article and the article Muslim Zionism indicated that Wahid was this. Is this a misunderstanding? There were already existing categories for Category:Christian Zionists, Category:Arab Zionists, etc. If there are a significant number of well-known Muslim Zionists, it seems like a reasonable tidy category. - Gilgamesh (talk) 20:18, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You know, if it's all the same to you, I'm going to add a brief definition to the category, and re-add Wahid to it. He was Muslim who was supportive of Israel, and that's a very notable interest in an encyclopedia. - Gilgamesh (talk) 20:25, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Two reverts is the magic number. I've decided that if there is consensus that he cannot be verified to be so, then I consider the matter closed. - Gilgamesh (talk) 07:29, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

He's clueless how to build on encyclopedia. That's why he thinks Koor, Indonesia is non notable and is too lazy to expand it himself.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:10, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ha ha, that's hilarious - is Blofeld short for "people skills"? --Merbabu (talk)

I usually have excellent people skills actually. I'm a Taurus, a bull in astrology who if you stay clear of I won't harm and will be calm and reserved, but as soon as you cross my path then the bull's insinct is to flare up. If you behave foolishly in trying to delete an article I started then I'll treat you as a fool. Kindly ask me to expand an article in good faith and I'll treat you amicably and the same. I would hope that both David and you Merbabu are capable individuals who are keen to improve quality on Indonesian topics. We just got off on the wrong foot with AFD threats tha's all. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:53, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

memilih is in the brain a day later - ta for the project page comment - aging brain and all that SatuSuro 22:54, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

hangon - the regency absurdity needs very careful thinking - the megabrains of some over 100,000 edit persons created them - and the subsequent fallout could be problematic - I have to get off in a few moments - will try a very long gmail about this issue in the next day or so SatuSuro 05:07, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Another editor has questioned some of you tagging, and I think they are correct. Wikipedia:Notability (geography) , though an essay, expresses the current consensus. Rivers are unquestionably notable. Populated islands or islands of more than very trivial size, certainly (a single house has been considered sufficient to show that it is populated). Villages, certainly. Formal administrative regions, at the province or subprovince level, certainly.; they would be analogous to states and counties in the US. Subdistricts, too, I think they correspond to the US townships, and I think they have all been held notable. They may also correspond to the Philippine Barangay; I recall there were earlier discussions about some of them, but I think they are currently all held notable also. The only relevant thing that is often not unnotable is unofficial non-adminsitrative divisions, "neighborhoods". I don't think any of these are among the ones you have been tagging. In practice, this is as firm a practice as any actual formal guideline, If you wish to test this, you certainly have the right to send a few to AfD, but I think you will find they are speedy keeps. DGG ( talk ) 18:46, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As above; I've reverted some of these and would ask that you self-revert on at least most of what I'm seeing in your recent contribs. Jack Merridew 07:38, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

OK so we didnt get to have that off wiki conversation before the burung burung dari luar turun - hope to catch up for a longer talk later SatuSuro 07:44, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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There seems to be significant political spin / propaganda in the opening of the Renville Agreement with the phase "the Netherlands who were seeking to re-establish their colony in South East Asia". As far as I understood it, the 1946-49 conflict between Sukarno and the Netherland's was over the type of republic; despite the Dutch Church which wanted to protect it's pre-war business interests, van Mook promoted the idea of free elections and voluntary membership in a federation which was in conflict with Japan's idea in 1944 and Sukarno since at least that time to head a militant Republic administrated from Jakarta. The centralised Republic was supported by the Ford Foundation and other corporations wanting to obtain new mining licenses for the remote islands (justified by the 'Marshall Plan') which Sukarno would then administrate. Of course once they discovered in the 1950s that Sukarno was their equal, the Ford Foundation around '57 come up with the idea of replacing him with one of his Generals but that's another story. Does the Renville Agreement article need to include any quip alleging what the Dutch overall motivation was?Daeron (talk) 05:04, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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etc etc - yup m.r. does like his version of transcribing jowo words with the 'a's rather than the 'o's - thems the breaks! SatuSuro 10:53, 24 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Hamengkubuwana_III - have a look see here SatuSuro 12:36, 24 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

semangat, nafas, call it what you like - there is a special quality there SatuSuro 13:16, 24 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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good to see you still dip in! trust all is well SatuSuro 14:26, 26 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Glad to see you're still doing good work with Indonesia-related stuff. I expanded First Hatta Cabinet, which you started; hope you like it (btw, if you haven't seen it yet check out the article on Sudirman) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:31, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Davidelit,

I am sincerely grateful for your help with the Garuda Indonesia Article. I too am trying to keep the article up-to-date and correct as I've great respect for the Airline and the Aviation world.

I'm writing this to request for your help in conducting a rollback of the said article as some of the recent edits have been weird and seemed out of place. If you have the time to spare, please review the recent edits made towards the said article and if possible, revert them to the last revision you deem appropriate.

Thank You.

Regards, Vandreadstriker (talk) 15:24, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted your reversion of an IP user's edit to Lion Air, which you said was unsourced. I reverted your reversion because the edit you reverted was made in good faith. It was a correction of a spelling error ("retired" not "retied"). Perhaps you reverted the wrong edit? —Compdude¹²³ 19:21, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted your reversion of an editor's edit to New York Agreement, which you did not say was a POV edit but did say was made by a person who has "history of bias in editing". I reverted your reversion because the edit you reverted was made in good faith, and the description of your revert was inflammatory, a personal attack, and likely to incite a edit war. — Daeron (talk) 01:33, 28 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, why did you reverted the removal of Dutch East Indies in the Krakatoa article? We don't say Java is an island in the Dutch East Indies (modern Indonesia), right?. I see no difference with Krakatoa. Garion96 (talk) 19:25, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I take your point - in the present tense it is weird. I reverted the "is an island" to "was an island" as per pre-vandalism versions of the article. Cheers. Davidelit (Talk) 05:17, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you prefer "was an"?. Again, like Java, it still is an Island. From what I read about two thirds of the Island was destroyed, but it still is an island. What is wrong with "is a volcanic island situated in the Sunda Strait between the islands of Java and Sumatra in Indonesia"? Garion96 (talk) 08:15, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I havent re-read the article recently - but - there are two islands at least in history (if not more) - the original island (was an) and anak krakatoa is the successor island - I had the impression that they were two separate items literally... was is the more apt usage - but as I say havent read the trainwreck of the set of articles - from memory they need lots of work to fix - so the original island was an island of the dutch east indies - the current indonesian island is not the same island by any stretch... SatuSuro 08:21, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ok thanks, that makes sense. Then the article itself needs to be updated. Or at least the lead of the article. Garion96 (talk) 14:09, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello Davidelit

I noticed you reverted back my edit to ITB page. I am sorry first since I am not familiar with how wikipedia works. Since you said that this is English wikipedia, that is exactly my point. 'ITB' is the name the university should be referred in any language, just like 'MIT' is called 'MIT' in any language. Take a look at École Normale Supérieure for another instance.

If you speak Indonesian, you can read some discussion from a lecturer from ITB here: http://rinaldimunir.wordpress.com/2013/08/27/bahasa-inggrisnya-itb-apa/ especially the part: "menurut UU Bahasa Indonesia Pasal 36, nama Perguruan Tinggi di Indonesia harus menggunakan Bahasa Indonesia"

and an example of an official ITB letter using the name Institut Teknologi Bandung in English here: http://lp4.itb.ac.id/wp-content/uploads/TERJEMAHAN-SK-DD-Twinning-Programs-Edited.pdf

This might seems like little concern by people outside academia. But if you're familiar with how academic publishing works, this might become an issue. Students/staffs from ITB often use alternative name like 'Bandung Institute of Technology' or 'Institute of Technology Bandung' since they do not know that the official name of ITB in English is still ITB. This made the count of number of papers/citation somewhat misleading, since we have different counts for 'Institut Teknolodi Bandung', 'Bandung Institute of Technology', and 'Institute of Technology Bandung'. I think many people get this wrong since they searched it on google and eventually end up on wikipedia.

I hope you re-consider my proposal and thank you.

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Hi Davidelit. Sorry, why you reverted my revision about Medan? Currently, the article is not valid, especially about ethnicities percentage and "Medan is the third largest city in Indonesia". Based on 2010 census, I think Bandung was greater than Medan. Regards. --Afandri Adya (talk) 12:38, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey David, this was an interesting edit. Certainly written in a non-neutral tone. I'm not sure what salam-online.com is. It appears to perhaps be a religious opinion paper. Is it thus a reliable source? My Indonesian is no longer that, um, efficient. The editor has carried this across into another few articles. Would be interested in your opinion. cheers --Merbabu (talk) 09:49, 5 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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I believe the year 2605 refers to the Japanese imperial year. Why do you disagree? Shii (tock) 07:02, 21 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Davidelit. Do you want to propose DYK for your newly created article Working_Cabinet_(Joko_Widodo) ?, I think we can create some interesting hook, such as : Did you know that the number of women in Working_Cabinet_(Joko_Widodo) is the most than any other Cabinet of Indonesia. *Annas* (talk) 05:12, 27 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, I notice that you have reverted a change I made to the Ngurah Rai international airport (Garuda Airlines and Wakatobi charter). The reason you added for the revert was "a puff blog is not a reliable source". I'm new to this so not sure what is meant by puff blog.

The blog I linked to is from the Wakatobi Dive Resort. They are the owners of the airport (ICAO: WA44 / IATA : TQQ). The airstrip you have reverted back to is wrong as it is the Matahora airstrip on Wangi Wangi (ICAO : ?? / IATA : WNI).

This is a Google map link to the Matahora Airport (WNI) This is a Google map link to the Maranggo Airport (TQQ)

You will also see on the Wakatobi Regency Page under Flight Hub that there is mentioned;

"The main flight hub of the Wakatobi archipelago is Matahora Airport on Wangiwangi Island; a separate airstrip is also present on Tomea Island which is used exclusively to transport visitors of the Wakatobi Dive Resort."

So you can see that the current version for the Wakatobi charter flight is linking to the Matahora Airport which is wrong as the Wakatobi Resort charter flight is to the private airport Maranggo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Antaboga (talk • contribs) 13:45, 9 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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As Wakatobi Dive Resort is the owner of the airport (and the blog post you deleted was from the Wakatobi Dive Resort) I don't understand why you reverted back to the outdated information.

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Hello, Mr. Davidelit. I've found your username in WikiProject Indonesia member list. I saw in WP Indonesia you're also interested in Indonesia politics. I've expanded Njoto and the article needs to be copyedited. I only use Google Books for references (all of the books are English) and one book from Tempo. I am not majoring in history but interested about Indonesian history. I'm affraid there are many inaccuracies too beside poor written English. Could you copyedit the article and remove the inaccuracies if any? Thanks in advance. MRFazry (talk) 05:49, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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there are always more idiots here :) JarrahTree 00:54, 31 August 2016 (UTC) like me ! I had tried to thank you and for some thumb presing bloody keybard it was a revert, sorry, have reverted self!! JarrahTree 07:39, 15 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Davi, for North Sumatra article, part of ethnic and religion composition, it's according to 2000 Indonesian Census by Badan Pusat Statistik. Currently, the composition is not valid. Lets you cross-check in Wikipedia Bahasa Indonesia version. For GDP size of Jabodetabek, based on 2016 estimated and from Rustiadi et al. Thanks. Afandri (talk) 03:41, 12 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

for something as simple as use english bet there are 1k stubs and arts that could do with that :) JarrahTree 01:29, 3 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Probably... We do what we can...:-) Davidelit (Talk)

surrounded by them, where is the breathing apparatus, or has common sense evaporated into the stratosphere? JarrahTree 08:44, 24 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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trust youre safe sound etc, just tinkering with lead sentences, please alert me if you think any of it needs fixing - cheers JarrahTree 12:20, 23 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Davidelit. I just edit article Indonesia. Why did you revert? Did you find anything inappropriate? Afandri (talk) 07:20, 9 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, you changed the ranking of Indonesia's nominal GDP, but it is still 16th - see List of countries by GDP (nominal). Regards Davidelit (Talk) 09:52, 11 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Davidelit,

You recently reverted my deletion on Garuda Indonesia Flight 152. As I explained in my edit summary, the content I removed (which you reverted since it was referenced content), was not verifiable in the reference provided. The text and the reference claims that the information in the text (investigation results) were the results of the "official NTSB" report. After carefully reviewing official NTSB reports on the NTSB archives, I found that no NTSB investigation took place, and that the investigation that took place by the Indonesian safety board was not published. As such, the content in that section, while contained on another (unverified) source, is factually inaccurate, and should not be present in the article. --Hunterm267^Talk 06:04, 10 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm just a casual viewer of this article. I am not involved in the minutiae. What this looks like is section blanking, content censorship, possibly a POV issue. This much content is not just removed for bad sentence structure. Rather than blanking this much sourced content, including the wikilink to the further information article, somebody better stop reverting and start doing some writing to FIX the problem, rather than remove the subject from the world's knowledge database. Trackinfo (talk) 08:37, 4 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No accusations toward you, you didn't start this. Removing an entire subject always looks suspicious. At least putting a wikilink is a minimal compromise. I think there should be at least a sentence or more to set up and summarize the subject. My own knowledge of the subject is based in OR, my wife is from Indonesia (which is why this is one of over 12,000 articles I watch). I've heard her stories and am familiar with the laws of the country that make women subservient to men. As a (the largest) Moslem majority country, its discriminatory policies toward women are probably the most liberal amongst that group. Which is to say, being anti-woman is a common, popular opinion amongst Indonesian people. So the POV of removing content with a Western perspective on women's rights would be relatively common from the internal Indonesian perspective. Trackinfo (talk) 08:19, 5 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Davidelit regarding my edit that you reverted on 3/Sept and 4/Sep and your request 17/Sept that I help your understanding of the subject. Perhaps you could explain what you are having trouble understanding? In the meanwhile I hope you may agree that the article is meant to be about the "History of Indonesia" and not "Theories of Indonesian History", and therefore where possible should contain facts in preference to theories. Facts are things like the Dutch in 1946 told the United Nations (see Assembly resolution 66) that the Netherlands was legally required to perform the functions of UN Charter article 73e in relationship to the Netherlands East Indies, which article 73e says is a "sacred trust" with purpose until the territory has a "full measure of self-government".

"self-government" = independence or whatever else your people decide they want to do which is what the word "self" is referring to. Its a concept people in other parts of the world have heard of from the UN Charter article 1 that its purpose is also to "develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples". That's what the Netherlands in 1946 has declared and legally locked itself into for Indonesia; the Church and other business owners might be pissed off and try to get get public support to demand the Hague undoes this commitment, but that is not an option allowed by 73e. And there's Sukarno who might not want the Javanese to be allowed to design their own government or vote for their own choice of leaders. Currently the article includes theories alleging the Netherlands had a unspoken policy never to allow independence, which have been popular theories for a long time and still are popular (especially in Indonesia); but including that theory should not be reason to exclude the fact that the Netherlands made a legal commitment about Indonesia at the United Nations in/from 1946.Daeron (talk) 03:00, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Dear Davidelit,

I started questioning the naming of cabinet position Minister of Public Works and Manpower after adding a link to Herling Laoh. It seemed odd that in some of the cabinets there was also a Minister of Labor. Also, there are some references about the position that talk about the dealings of the ministry related to power in terms of electric and water power 1 and 2.

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• First Ali Sastroamidjojo Cabinet, Second Ali Sastroamidjojo Cabinet, Djuanda Cabinet, Second Working Cabinet, Third Working Cabinet, Fourth Working Cabinet, Second Revised Dwikora Cabinet: The Indonesian article uses Tenaga instead of Tenaga Kerja as is also seen in the following references related to Rooseno (first Ali Sastromidjojo cabinet): 1, 2, 3, and 4.

• First Working Cabinet: The Indonesian article uses Tenaga Kerja, but there are some references that use Tenaga for Sarjono Dipokusumo: 1, 2, and 3.

• Dwikora Cabinet: The Indonesian article uses Ketenagaan. These references associate the word to generated power: 1 and 2. Also, the naming in the next cabinet (Revised Dwikora Cabinet) for Setiadi Reksoprodjo shows this relationship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CakalangSantan (talk • contribs) 15:10, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for your talk. I am a new here. I put a reference after you undo my editing. but i don't know why it still can't be seen. only a notice about dispute. If you are not busy, you can kindly put the reference in Majapahit article about Kings name, reign, religion in majapahit empire, and Mahapatih name. Badrika, I wayan 1994. Sejarah nasional Indonesia dan umum untuk sma kelas 1 kurikulum 1994, Jakarta:Erlangga

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play with my added refs from trove if they are in the wrong places JarrahTree 04:27, 15 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I see you just reverted my edit regarding Indonesia's military influence. Honestly, I don't understand your reason put there in the edit summary as it too short for me to understand. Can you explain it more in detail?

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It seems that BPUPKI is not wrong. See here --

https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badan_Penyelidik_Usaha_Persiapan_Kemerdekaan_Indonesia

So both BPUPK and BPUPKI seem to be OK. Pmccawley (talk) 01:33, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Leaving aside the lack of credibility of most articles on the largely unreferenced Indonesian language Wikipedia, "BPUPKI" is definitely wrong. The BPUPK was established by the Japanese 16th Army in Java, which had no influence over the rest of the future Indonesia. Sumatra was occupied by the 25th Army, and the rest of the Dutch East Indies was controlled by the Japanese navy. The addition of the "I" was part of the New Order propaganda narrative (like the "Budi Utomo being a national organization), backed by Yamin's self-serving account of the proceedings. See Kusuma, A.B.; Elson, R.E. (2011), A note on the sources for the 1945 constitutional debates in Indonesia, Bijdragen tot de taal-, land- en volkenkunde / Journal of the Humanities and Social Sciences of Southeast Asia, 167 (2-3): 196 – 209, doi:10.1163/22134379-90003589, ISSN 0006-2294. Regards Davidelit (Talk) 02:06, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Thank you for replying. I appreciate it. I assure you that don't want to make too much of a fuss about this.
  I now have looked up the Kusuma and Elson article. Thank you for the reference. They have clearly looked into the matter quite closely. I notice that there are several references to a work entitled Risalah BPUPKI dan PPKI (at p. 207, for example). This seems to suggest that the term BPUPKI was at least acceptable in some circles. However, I appreciate the points you make about the role of the Japanese 16th Army in Java at the time and the implications of this. At the end of it all, I'm not quite sure what the exact status of BPUPKI is. However, as you say, whatever the precise status of BPUPKI, I agree that it seems better to refer to BPUPK. And thank you for the courtesy of responding. Pmccawley (talk) 06:28, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Thanks for the response. The Risalah... publication - by Saafroedin Bahar,Ananda B.Kusuma and Nannie Hudawati - was part of the New Order (my copy is dated 1985) propaganda efforts to simultaneously proclaim Pancasila as the "holy grail" while not encouraging worship of Sukarno, who came up with it. The Saafroedin et al book is entirely based on Yamin's work (as thoroughly discredited by Kusma and Elson) in which he claims to have come up with a version of Pancasila first. The addition of the I was not only acceptable. but obligatory, having been (mis-)taught on schools, and to question it was bordering on being anti-Indonesia... Regards Davidelit (Talk) 07:19, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrgggggggggggghhhhhh. or words to that effect - [2] something like a rubrics cube, or gordian know, or cyclical something or other. Pity we no longer have a dedicated and committed admin in the project with a presence... the spelling variation will go on for ever i think...JarrahTree 00:42, 1 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Well, yes. In the meantime I'm trying to stop the bigger idiots... Davidelit (Talk) 01:00, 1 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

no shortage of them JarrahTree 02:06, 1 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The secret is to stick to obscure articles - nobody can be bothered to make silly changes to Parindra, for example :-) 02:16, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

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Hi David, regarding your revert here, I didn't remove the alt text, but moved to the parameter in the infobox designed for it. I'm assuming the parameter actually functions, but I don't know how to test it to see if it is working properly. Did you confirm that the alt text was not functioning before you reverted? If it's not working, then we'll need to find someone to take a look at {{Infobox aircraft begin}} and try to fix it. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 03:49, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies - I was distracted and completely misread your edit. I did check it was working before, but not after. Davidelit (Talk) 04:27, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. I misread diffs a lot more than I'd like! - BilCat (talk) 04:46, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, this is how the man signed :

. And Jakarta's main airport is called Soekarno-Hatta International Airport. "Sukarno" is a "Western" invention that prevails because as you know the "West" still dominates the world... Humboldt 18:31, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

You will see in the April WEO 2019 that Indonesia's 2018 numbers are NOT "IMF staff estimates". Consider undoing your reverts.KREOH (talk) 04:02, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The IMF released their 2019 WEO this month (April 2019): [3] so no, we are not looking at the same page.KREOH (talk) 04:31, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In this link [4] you will find NO shaded cells for 2018, it is all grey.
Consider undoing your reverts.KREOH (talk) 04:41, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Shaded cells indicate IMF staff estimates" will still be written up there even though the numbers shown are in grey cells (this indicates they are official figures and not estimates), this is why "est." was removed in the article edits. It is like this for every country. Do not disrupt the work being done.
Consider undoing your reverts.KREOH (talk) 04:54, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In this link [5] they are in a different color from the other table cells because of the background color of the website itself. The table format extends the more years there are added.KREOH (talk) 05:05, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You will see here [6] that the table cells with the descriptions are white, 2018 year cells are grey and 2019 cells are green. This is because the table starts going outside the website's bounds the more years there are added to it. Hopefully this clears up any confusion.KREOH (talk) 05:12, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Estimates are not forbidden. You are expected to self-revert. Notify if not going to do so.KREOH (talk) 17:10, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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