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  • Category:History of Portugal: lots to remove there
  • Template:Regions of Portugal: statistical (NUTS3) subregions and intercommunal entities are confused; they are not the same in all regions, and should be sublisted separately in each region: intermunicipal entities are sometimes larger and splitted by subregions (e.g. the Metrolitan Area of Lisbon has two subregions), some intercommunal entities are containing only parts of subregions. All subregions should be listed explicitly and not assume they are only intermunicipal entities (which accessorily are not statistic subdivisions but real administrative entities, so they should be listed below, probably using a smaller font: we can safely eliminate the subgrouping by type of intermunicipal entity from this box).

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Wikivoyage[edit]

Olá, amigos! Wikivoyage's coverage of Portugal is a bit spotty. I believe that good travel information will be key in helping the country's recovery once we overcome the pandemic. As of now, Portugal has one Star status article, Caldas da Rainha. I believe that we can help improve cities such as Lisbon or Porto to Star status. Many other places can be improved to Guide status (or better) with a bit of effort: Braga, Coimbra, Peneda-Gerês National Park, etc. If you would like to help, please see the following for guidance:

Naturally, you are welcome to contribute to articles beyond Portugal, as piques your interest. --Nelson Ricardo (talk) 18:29, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

António Pires Veloso - photo[edit]

Hello, I have started an article on this post-Carnation era general and have been told by the Military History project that with an image, it will become C-class. There doesn't seem to be public domain images on the foreign versions of the page, nor a photograph of his bust on Commons. I have been alerted to this video where the conditions say that RTP can grant a license for non-commercial educational use when contacted by a Portuguese citizen. So first, is anyone familiar with the law and whether this would allow the use of a screenshot on Wikipedia? And second, could anyone obtain this license and put the image on the page?

If this is not allowed on Wikipedia, the second option would be to take a photograph of the bust at the Praca da República in Porto, if anyone lives in the area.

Thank you for your cooperation and I look forward to speaking soon. Unknown Temptation (talk) 18:48, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

I don't think that RTP licence would be good enough. WP:IUPC states: "Note that images that are licensed for use only on Wikipedia, or only for non-commercial or educational use, or under a license that doesn't allow for the creation of modified/derived works, are unsuitable." I suppose you have to find somewhere an image with explicitly freer usage policy. (But I don't know how it works exactly, as I've never done it.) Or visit Porto and photograph the bust! LongLivePortugal (talk) 23:00, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for clearing up about the rights to the video. As Pires Veloso was a public figure, there likely are free photos, just like we have free photos of about every other prominent person on this encyclopedia. However, due to my limited connections and language abilities, I will not be the one who finds them. I have visited Porto, yet I am unfamiliar with that park. Current issues mean I am unlikely to go abroad any time soon. I would be grateful if in the spirit of cooperation there might be a user on this board who lives nearby. Unknown Temptation (talk) 16:31, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Women in Red Europe contest[edit]

After successfully completing our Asia and Africa contests over the past six months, we now welcome contributions to our Women in Europe contest which runs for three separate months from April to June 2021. To qualify for the contest, articles have to contain at least 160 words or 1,000 characters of running text and participants need to be members of Women in Red. We look forward to lots of new biographies of women from Portugal.--Ipigott (talk) 06:29, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Surnames question[edit]

I have a question on Portuguese naming system and an article I just created: Patrícia Gouveia. Her full name is "Patricia Alexandra Carvalho Ferreira Sousa Gouveia", which of these name(s) would be the maternal surname, and which name(s) the paternal surname? The last 4 names all looks like surnames to me, but she seems to be referred to as Gouveia (which means that would be the paternal surname). I want to try and use Template:Portuguese name correctly which is why I ask. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:20, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes, all last four names are surnames. Common practice in Portugal, when parents choose to give the child four names instead of two, would be that the first two come from the mother and the last two from the father (and, within each such pair, the first one would come from the grandmother and the second one from the grandfather). Thus, for purposes of the template, I believe it should state that the maternal name is Ferreira and the paternal one is Gouveia (assuming that she either is not married or did not take her husband's surname in marriage, meaning all such names are truly 'biological'). This is explained in Portuguese name#Number of names.
I must say, now that you've drawn my attention to it, that I find the template to be quite incomplete, as it does not allow for any fields containing grandmothers' surnames in case they are passed down to the child (in this case, Carvalho and Sousa) or for any field containing the husband's surname, in cases where it occurs. Instead, it focuses on the possibility of generational suffixes, such as 'Filho' and 'Neto', which are so rare (compared to the previous two much more common events) that even I didn't know it was possible! I can't understand.
Finally, please note that her first name is Patrícia, not Patricia. Please don't forget to correct that in her full name on the article. LongLivePortugal (talk) 17:08, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Thanks LongLivePortugal. One last question: looking at Neide Simões (another article I created), her fullname is "Neide Marina Fidalgo Alves Mateus Simões". So does that mean that Alves is her maternal surname, and Simões is her paternal surname (assuming that all names are "biological" as you defined it above)? Sorry for all the questions, if the template was implemented and documented for this scenario, then I would be using that documentation rather than asking here. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:48, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
As an aside, if anyone one in this project knows how to update templates, it would be good to get the scenarios for people with four surnames added to Template:Portuguese name. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:48, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
@Joseph2302: Yes, according to common practice, her maternal surname would be Alves. Please note that this is just common practice, and I can't guarantee that it is the case with every single person, as I believe parents can legally choose a different order. Furthermore, in general, if you find someone with exactly three surnames (even if you assume they are all 'biological'), you can't know whether two come from the father and one from the mother, or vice-versa. Finally, of course any one or two of the existing surnames (usually at the end, but not necessarily I believe) may come from the person's husband or wife (although uncommon, husbands can also take their wives' surnames). So, now that I think about it, perhaps the template should even be omitted in cases where you can't find any sources telling us the parents' and spouse's surnames, so we don't risk writing here any false information. What do you think?
As for the template, it definitely does need change, in order to account for all these issues. Do you know where we can find out how to do that? LongLivePortugal (talk) 11:44, 9 April 2021 (UTC)