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Un wiki pass per l'Emilia-Romagna[edit]

Hello WikiProject Italy!

I'm glad to announce you that the project Un wiki pass per l'Emilia-Romagna is going on. This project wants to facilitate the access to the culture of Emilia-Romagna, in Italy, by refunding small amount (for tickets of museums, theaters, cinemas, books, etc.), and encourage the contribution on Wikimedia projects. You can participate alone or in a group. The project is aimed at experienced users of Wikipedia (all editions), Commons and other Wikimedia projects.

You can contribute to any topic related to this region of Italy, either by visiting a cultural place on site, or in a more creative way, for example by visiting exhibitions in other parts of the world, with the only constraint of some connection to Emilia-Romagna. For example, you could be interested in an Elisabetta Sirani temporary exhibition in Washington, DC, for taking photos and/or improving the article(s). In this case, you can report your wish on this page and visit the museum (be sure to keep the ticket for refund!). Then modify the article(s) and/or upload your photos on Commons, declare what you have done on the page of the project, and ask an another Wikipedian of your choice to check that you've contributed in accordance with your previous declaration (this is just a formality, not an assessment of the quality of the content - I'm available for review). At this point, notify me to proceed with the refund from Wikimedia Italia.

If you are interested, please translate the project pages, read the FAQ section and ask your questions on this talk page. You can participate by contributing until June 30th, 2024, but verifications of contributions will be accepted until August 31, 2024.

This formula is rather new and I'm testing it for the first time: Wikimedia Italia is supporting me in this challenge, please give me your feedback for a (possible) future improved edition. Be bold and creative when setting your goals, and have fun! Pątąfişiķ 14:50, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merger discussion for Rubicon[edit]

An article which may be of interest to members of this project—Rubicon—has been proposed for merging with Crossing the Rubicon. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. IgnatiusofLondon (talk) 22:20, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This text doesn't seem good to me. I don't have a great knowledge of the English language; I can translate every sentence and every word of this language, but I have difficulty writing sentences from scratch. JackkBrown (talk) 04:24, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ciao! I have offered a copyedit. Please, add sources! In general, the English-language Wikipedia is far less lenient on citations than the Italian-language Wikipedia, and you are expected to provide in-line citations to reliable sources. Thank you for all your effort in improving Wikipedia's coverage of Italian food in the last few days! IgnatiusofLondon (talk) 21:00, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@IgnatiusofLondon: thank you for noticing! In Italy we have a great food culture, so these pages are very important for us. JackkBrown (talk) 10:47, 2 February (UTC)
@IgnatiusofLondon: it may sound strange, but I have never added a source before, could you give me some advice on how to add this source? https://www.visittuscany.com/en/recipes/the-recipe-for-buccellato-di-lucca/. JackkBrown (talk) 10:57, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I rarely edit on mobile, so this one to ask at WP:HelpDesk, I'm afraid! If you use the visual editor, there should be a speech mark symbol at the top which opens a wizard to add a reference. If you use source editing, you will need to learn the citation templates and check their documentation (e.g. Template:Cite book, Template:Cite web). Looking over the source code of exemplary, well-cited articles is also always a helpful exercise. IgnatiusofLondon (talk) 14:06, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Stellantis Italy#Requested move 18 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Warm Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 15:23, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The texts on these two pages don't look good to me, even from a grammatical point of view. Does anyone want to help me? JackkBrown (talk) 19:12, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Breuil-Cervinia#Requested move 9 February 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Pilaz (talk) 12:40, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notice

The article Forlivese dialect has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

"There is no Romagnol dialect, but an infinity of Romagnol dialects decreasing from place to place, as continuous variations on a common basis." There is definitely a place on Wikipedia for documenting the Forlivese idiosyncracies of the Romagnol dialect, which is discussed in multiple WP:RS, though it is something that this stub presently does not begin to discuss. But these peculiarities are best treated at Romagnol, unless we are going to make an article about the dialectal idiosyncracies of 70+ municipalities of Romagna. (To my knowledge, no other municipality in Romagna has yet been afforded an article on its dialect.)

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. IgnatiusofLondon (talk) 14:29, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Toscolano-Maderno#Requested move 11 February 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Killarnee (talk) 19:20, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Routes in railway station articles[edit]

I notice lots of articles on Italian railway stations have a section detailing the "routes" served by trains passing through them, e.g. Molfetta railway station, Rimini railway station, Roma Termini railway station. These sections are often entirely unreferenced; browsing through the edit history of these three sampled stations, the sections were added by Chris0693 (no edits since 2018) around 2014.

I'm coming across quite a few Italian railway station articles in WP:FEB24. I guess I have two questions:

  1. Is there any WP:RS we can use to reference these sections, short of the laborious task of combing through individual daily station timetables (e.g. Molfetta)?
  2. Should these sections even exist? Where stations aren't on a handful of simple routes, I have broader reservations that I'm not sure these routes are entirely appropriate for an encyclopaedic entry, or at worst, in the absence of published timetables per station, risk becoming obsolete over time and thus factually incorrect. (Sure, these things are unlikely to change dramatically, but 10 years have passed since Chris' work.) I also notice that these sections don't exist in the Italian-language counterpart articles of these sampled stations.

Thanks! IgnatiusofLondon (talk) 20:30, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not aware of a single Italian source comparable to https://www.öv-info.ch/de for Switzerland. I've mostly worked with Italian stations in Northern Italy; so I know that Trenord, for one, does or did publish schedules that can be referenced.
On the broader question, I think it's appropriate to present the information if it can be appropriately referenced, and for me that means PDFs or something else with state. Going off the trip planner fails WP:V. Service frequency and destinations are an important part of why a station exists. The obsolescence question is an important one. I believe Italy follows other European countries in changing its timetables on the second Saturday in December. Something I've started doing is including the formulation As of the December 2020 timetable change, the following services to make it clear when the information was last checked. Mackensen (talk) 20:57, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! I think you're quite right about PDF or equivalent references. On which note, I dug around and found that Trenitalia does publish PDFs, which might be part of the answer to this discussion. The PDFs are divided by train type, so some stations will require several PDFs to fully reference, and of course, this is only Trenitalia. The note about timetable changes is wise, certainly an oversight from the 2014 additions. IgnatiusofLondon (talk) 21:06, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So I tried to see what redoing Chris' work would look like for Rimini (granted, a major railway station). It seems like a mess: 24 destinations, with upwards of 40 routes or station-calling patterns. Because things seem to be scheduled by the train than by the route, it feels like trying to explain the typical frequency or listing routes invites a mighty mess. Additionally, there are significant differences for April, and some routes only run on Saturdays. I suspect a summary along these lines might be sufficient (and likely avoid the need of major updates between winter/summer schedules):

As of February 2024, the station is served by regional, fast regional (regionale veloce), InterCity, and high-speed Frecciarossa trains. As is typical on the Italian network, trains scheduled at different times of the day call at different combinations or numbers of stations along similar routes, and often terminate at different stations. Regional trains calling at Rimini typically run to Ancona, Imola, Bologna Centrale or Ravenna, while fast regional trains typically run to Ancona, Bologna Centrale or Piacenza. The InterCity and Frecciarossa trains extend to Lecce and Milano Centrale, or terminate at major stops before those stations, such as Pescara Centrale or Bari Centrale. There are infrequent or seasonal direct trains to San Pietro in Casale, Ferrara, Suzzarra, Torino Porta Nuova, Venezia Santa Lucia, and Trieste Centrale. There is a daily EuroCity service to München Hautbahnhof, and a seasonal EuroNight service between München and Pesaro. One high-speed Frecciabianca runs to Roma Termini every morning, returning as a non-stop service to Ravenna in the evening.

Notice that this pattern is considerably different to the 2014 section in the article, suggesting indeed that these sections need revising across railway station articles. IgnatiusofLondon (talk) 13:30, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think that's an entirely reasonable approach. I suspect two things are true: service patterns have changed since 2014, and the 2014 version of the article didn't provide a complete summary of services. Mackensen (talk) 15:15, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Clement of Rome#Requested move 3 March 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 13:44, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Marcon#Requested move 3 March 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 11:50, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

An editor has requested that Italian soft power be moved to Soft power of Italy, which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You are invited to participate in the move discussion. IgnatiusofLondon (talk) 14:37, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This page needs help, in the meantime I'm trying to solve. JacktheBrown (talk) 16:12, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merger discussion for 2024 Lake Suviana explosion[edit]

An article which may be of interest to members of this project—2024 Lake Suviana explosion—has been proposed for merging with Lake Suviana. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. IgnatiusofLondon IgnatiusofLondon (he/him☎️) 13:36, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi I've been looking at very old unsourced pages and found Botteniga. Can anyone here suggest suitable sources to show notability, please? JMWt (talk) 09:34, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2024 Lake Suviana explosion#Requested move 11 April 2024 (2) that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 00:08, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IP user compulsively editing flags on WW2 Italy pages[edit]

Hey there WikiProject Italy people, there is an IP that started editing yesterday who is methodically going through many pages at quite high speed changing what appears to be a specific flag everywhere they can: Special:Contributions/92.26.65.138. I am myself not knowledgeable enough on the matter to have a strong opinion, but since it appears that edits that get caught get reverted I assume something is not right there. I only caught it because I am watching changes on Bombing of Rome, and am afraid potentially problematic changes to niche pages could go unnoticed. Choucas Bleu (T·C) 12:00, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]