Wikipedia:Help desk

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August 7[edit]

Nick Robertson's mother (ice hockey)[edit]

Hi, just letting you know that Nick Robertson's mother was not born in Manila. She was born in the Visayas. kindly update Nick's Wikipedia page. thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:49, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi IP editor. If you have a reliable, independent source that provides that information, please discuss it over at Talk:Nick Robertson (ice hockey). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:06, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
That would be Draft talk:Nick Robertson (ice hockey). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 04:38, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
It appears that it could be Nicholas Robertson (ice hockey)? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:12, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Looks like the draft is older than the mainspace article. Pinging relevant editors HickoryOughtShirt?4, Nolanisntfunny, and Robert McClenon. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:25, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Talk on Nicholas Robertson (ice hockey). The other one I made a few months ago but got denied since Robertson had yet to play a game. He now has played 3 games, and someone beat me to making an article. About Robertson's mother, I'm not entirely sure. Nolanisntfunny (talk) 16:43, 8 August 2020 (UTC)Nolanisntfunny

Can I link to Wikipedia page with table sorted on a particular column[edit]

For example, suppose I email someone the following URL:

This links to the start of the section containing the table I am referring to, sorted by its leftmost column. But what I really want to reference in my email is the vice-presidents who were oldest at the start of their vice-presidency. I could explain in my email how to sort-descending on that field, but is there some way to encapsulate that in the URL itself, so that when someone clicks on my link, the table will be displayed not in its default sort order but sorted as I would prefer? And as a follow-up, is there a way to wikilink that? Mathew5000 (talk) 04:03, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

AFAIK that is not possible because not implemented, and I think nobody will implement it, because it is extraordenary slow, as each time you render a table, you must check if the table should be sorted differently, and then you must check if this sort is actually possible (sorting a table by row 5 if the table has only 4 rows doesn't work obviviously). Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 05:52, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Question regaring page deletion[edit]

I have created a page on wikipedia abut an institution, my intention is not publicity but to provide authentic information to the public domain. I got the notice my page can not be published because it is showing as it is created for publicity. H ow can I resolve this problem and publish my page successfully? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bhumi Shivhare (talkcontribs) 05:48, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

@Bhumi Shivhare: Normally, there are about 7 steps to create a new article successfully. Now you have already created a version, and I'm pretty sure it can be discouraging if I tell you now that this will probbably need to be rewritten entirely. If you want to make a new version, I will include the steps below.
  • First, review our guideline on notability, our policy on Verifiability, and our general notability guideline (GNG). Consider whether your subject clearly meets the standards listed there. Also, check if the topic is already covered, perhaps under a different spelling or in a section of an article about a wider topic. You will waste a lot of time, if you create a new article, and then find that the encyclopedia already has an article about that.
  • Second, read how to create Your First Article and referencing for beginners and again consider if you want to go ahead.
  • Third, If you have any connection or affiliation with the subject, disclose it in accordance with our guideline on Conflict of interest. If you have been or expect to be paid for making edits, or are making them as part of your job, disclose this according to the strict rules of the Paid-contribution disclosure. This is absolutely required; omitting it can result in you being blocked from further editing.
  • Fourth, gather sources. You want independent, professionally published, reliable sources with each discussing the subject in some detail. If you can't find several such sources, stop; an article will not be created! Sources do NOT need to be online, or in English, although it is helpful if at least some are. The "independent" part is vital. Wikipedia does not consider as independent sources such as press releases, or news stories based on press releases, or anything published by the subject itself or an affiliate of the subject. Strictly local coverage is also not preferred. Regional or national newspapers or magazines, books published by mainstream publishers (not self-published), or scholarly journals are usually good. So are online equivalents of these. (Additional sources may verify particular statements but not discuss the subject in detail. But those significant detailed sources are needed first.)
  • Fifth, use the article wizard to create a draft under the articles for creation project. This is always a good idea for an inexperienced editor, but in the case of an editor with a conflict of interest it is essential.
  • Sixth, use the sources gathered before (and other sources you may find along the way) to write the article. Cite all significant statements to sources. Do not express opinions or judgements, unless they are explicitly attributed to named people or entities, preferably in a direct quotation, and cited to a source. Do not use puffery or marketing-speak. Provide page numbers, dates, authors and titles for sources to the extent these are available. A title is always needed. Submit the draft when you think it is ready for review. Be prepared to wait a while for a review (several weeks or more).
  • Seventh, when (well perhaps if) your draft is declined, pay attention to the comments of the reviewer, and correct the draft and resubmit it. During this whole process, if you face any unresolvable editing hurdles, or cannot comprehend any editing issue, feel free to post a request here or at the Teahouse and ask the regulars. Repeat this until the draft passes review.

Congratulations, you have now created a valid Wikipedia article. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 05:58, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

How much time dose it take for Wikipedia to Review and Publish a Article if its written by a New Creator[edit]

Hi Sir

I had written a article about a well known person in mangalore the link to the article is given bellow. As i am a new Creator in Wikipedia i wanted to know how much time dose it take for the article to be reviewed and published ? because i am getting different different answers on the internet.

Link to the article : — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chdefforts (talkcontribs) 07:20, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Chdefforts You have not submitted your draft for a review, I will shortly add the appropriate information to allow you to do so. However, if you were to submit it at this time, I think that it would be rejected, as the sources you have offered do not seem to be appropriate. Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a person, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. The sources you have offered seem to be press release-type stories or routine coverage, which does not establish notability. Please read Your First Article for more information. When you do submit it(again, I would not do so yet), there is no set timeframe, as drafts are reviewed in no particular order, but as there are usually thousands of drafts awaiting review, it usually takes several weeks.
If you have a connection to the person you wrote about, you must read the conflict of interest and paid editing policies and make the required declarations. 331dot (talk) 08:52, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

My Domain Blocked By Wikipedia[edit]

HI, is share some usefull and helpful links with wikipedia but someone remove and blocked my domain please tell me about the edits which creats spaming and please review it again and unblock my domain — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hamsi98 (talkcontribs) 07:34, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Hamsi98 Wikipedia is not a collection of links. Your addition seems to serve no purpose other than telling the world about what I presume is your website; that's considered spamming. 331dot (talk) 08:49, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Note: OP was a sock of Hamsi97. Ian.thomson (talk) 11:21, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Vapepal e liquid brand[edit]


I hope you can help me.

How do I get my e liquid brand 'Vapepal' listed on the following Wikipedia page 'List of electronic cigarette and e-cigarette liquid brands'

Thank you,

MeganMegandavidson001 (talk) 08:05, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Megandavidson001 List articles like that are not for listing every possible member of the list in existence, only those that have Wikipedia articles. Your brand would only merit a Wikipedia article if it receives significant, in depth coverage by independent reliable sources showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability. Not every e cigarette brand does.
Since you are here to contribute about your brand, you must review conflict of interest and paid editing and make the required declarations. 331dot (talk) 08:47, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Refering Ayodhay Ram janbhumo as Disputed Land - as on date[edit]

Referring to the content on Wikipedia, as in below In India, construction of the Ram Temple on disputed land officially begins, with Prime Minister Narendra Modi laying the foundation stone (ceremony pictured).

Pl. note that India is a Democratic country and the land dispute has gone through all the possible processes before addressing it, lastly by Judicially, which has on the basis of numerous records archeological and history, before giving the verdict. It's unacceptable and unjustifiable to even mention the word 'Dispute " now while addressing this Subject. I am saying this discreetly, irrespective of what cast or religion I come from. had it been declared a MUSLIM MOSQUE site I would have accepted, as it has taken 70 years to conclude this matter More so it was exploited for vote ban politics and with the conclusion, this will helo o bring both communities of India at peace and brotherhood — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:01, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources state. If those sources state that use or ownership of the land is no longer in dispute, then the article can say that, but if those sources state that the dispute still exists(even if legal processes in India have been resolved), then the article needs to say that too. If you have sources to support your position, please offer them on the talk page of the article in question, the proper place to discuss this. 331dot (talk) 09:05, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
I sympathise with the OP. There certainly was a dispute, as detailed at Ayodhya dispute. But the use of the phrase "disputed land", in the top item of "In the news" on the main page, implies that the dispute is ongoing. I have seen no evidence to justify that implication. Maproom (talk) 09:40, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Generally, all or almost all parties to a dispute must agree that it is resolved for there to no longer be a dispute. That said, I don't claim to know what sources are saying. 331dot (talk) 09:45, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

nationality, ethnicity, origin, identity[edit]

Olivia de Haviland is identified in the lede to her article that she was British-American. I know she was born British (in Japan), but she became a U.S. citizen (I haven't seen anything about her having had dual citizenship). On what Wikipedian basis, is she called British-American rather than American? Is it standard to give original nationality/citizenship as the first part of a hyphenated label when the subject has changed citizenship? What about people who are ethnically, say, Italian, but who were born in, say, the U.S.? Are they to be labeled Italian-Americans (as is commonly done "on the street"), the same as some-one born in Italy but having later become an American? How do I find guide-lines on this, or is it done ad hoc? Kdammers (talk) 09:36, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Kdammers, as far as I know there's not a completely set rule on describing the nationality of people with dual citizenship. I think the usual way of doing it would be to follow how a person is usually described by reliable sources, as this will vary on a person by person basis. I believe Olivia remained a British citizen throughout her life (basing this on the fact that she received a DBE a couple of years ago). The best place to discuss this with other editors would probably be on Talk:Olivia de Haviland, and it looks like a previous discussion on that topic took place there a couple of years back. Pi (Talk to me!) 02:38, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
That would be Talk:Olivia de Havilland#Correct nationality?. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 06:49, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Adding a link[edit]

I have tried to add a couple of links from pages about piers to my web site dedicated to piers from around the world. The vast majority of my site comprises of paintings, postcards and copy from vintage newspapers about the piers. None of these are for sale. There is one page where you can but posters of the piers, but as only one has been bought in the last year, this is clearl not a selling site. Therfore the site is for those interested in piers, this is not a shop, however, the two posts that I have attempted to add have both been rejected.

Paul Tracey — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paul Thomas Tracey Artist (talkcontribs) 10:33, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Paul Thomas Tracey Artist. Well, as it is your website, you shouldn't be adding links to it - per WP:COI. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 11:52, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Helo, Paul Thomas Tracey Artist. Wikipedia is quite restrictive about external links: WP:EL explains when they can and can't be linked from within articles. One of the no-nos is "Individual web pages that primarily exist to sell products or services, or to web pages with objectionable amounts of advertising. For example, the mobile phone article should not link to web pages that mostly promote or advertise cell-phone products or services". I hear that you have only sold one poster in the last year, but is clearly a selling site. --ColinFine (talk) 13:53, 7 August 2020 (UTC)


why does it say the KKK is right wing when they in fact were started by Democrats to kill Republicans because the Republican party was srmtart we d by black people. They killed black and white republicans.

They are a far left extremist group. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1006:B10C:3ADC:5030:1103:A487:C1D4 (talk) 14:21, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

The correct place for this discussion would be over at Talk:Ku Klux Klan. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:54, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict)Hello, please raise your concerns on the talk page of the article concerned. You may find that this has been discussed before... but you are welcome to start a new thread if you so wish. You would need to provide reliable sources to corroborate your statements. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 14:57, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Seriously? Please don't encourage people with a weak grasp of reality to clutter up talk pages with Looney Tunes conspiracy theories. Okkkay? Clarityfiend (talk) 06:20, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
Then point them to the previous discussions on there. This still isn't the appropriate venue. If the arguments don't hold water it'll be shut down quickly. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:37, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Locked up pages vs editable pages[edit]

I have noticed that many actors and presidents pages are locked up and not editable, (no edit links) whereas other people (even some other actors) are fully editable. Why?

Can I have my page made not editable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:40, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, pages are 'locked' or as Wikipedia more typically says 'protected' usually because they have been subject to disruption of one sort or another – typically vandalism but sometimes as a result of content disputes – over a considerable period of time. A page would not be protected unless there was a good reason to do so; it will not happen because someone requests it without one. When you refer to 'my page' please clarify what you mean. A Wikipedia page you have written or one that is about you? No page 'belongs' to any particular editor (see WP:OWN) and if you mean a page about you or one where you have a connection, please see the guide to managing a conflict of interest. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 14:52, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Adding company details[edit]


I need to add biography for my company details.

How can I do this?

Brian — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brianmniko (talkcontribs) 17:45, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

@Brianmniko: Hello, unfortunately the short answer is you cannot or at least you should not be attempting this sort of thing, which is not suited to an encyclopedia. If your company is notable in the Wikipedia sense (see that page for more information together with WP:NORG) then editors without a connection to the organisation will create an article in the course of time, based upon what has been written about the company in multiple independent, reliable sources such as mainstream newspapers etc. Wikipedia has little if any, interest in what a company has to say about itself. Wikipedia should not be used for promotion or as any form of directory. Sorry, we cannot assist. Eagleash (talk) 18:36, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Brianmniko. I'm afraid that, like many people, you are confusing Wikipedia with a social media site or business directory. If your company meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability - roughly, that several people who have no connection with the company have chosen to write about it in reliably published places such as major newspapers, or books from reputable publishers - then we could have an article about your company. It will not belong to the company, it will not necessarily say what the company would want to say, it will contain very little material from the company (as opposed to from those independent commentators), and you will be strongly discouraged from editing it directly.
I will also mention that creating a new article is one of the hardest tasks for a new Wikipedia editor, and most editors who try it before they have spent a few weeks or months improving existing articles and learning how Wikipedia works, have a frustrating and disappointing time.
If after these warnings, you still would like to go ahead, first you must read about editing with a conflict of interest, and make the mandatory declaration explained in paid editing. Then you should read your first article, and, having found the three or four independent reliably published sources that are absolutely essential to establish notability, you should create a draft using the articles for creation process. --ColinFine (talk) 18:42, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Infobox spacing[edit]

See my diff here. This happens a lot - where the spacing in the infobox parameters change drastically - I assume this is due to the visual editor. My question: is this an issue or is it harmless? And if it's not harmless, how do I stop it from happening? Thanks! ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia talk 18:15, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

This is mw:Topic:Vmfgal6x2okt5f4v. In short, opinions vary about whether this is harmless or not, there's no way to disable it for one specific visual edit, and the automatic formatting can be adjusted (or removed entirely) by an edit to the TemplateData of the template whose formatting is being changed. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:28, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Pppery (talk · contribs) - thank you for the response! That answers my question, though it ultimately seems the specifics are above my pay-grade haha. Cheers ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia talk 19:51, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Correcting incorrect submission[edit]

Hello! I am a new editor. I inadvertently edited a page incorrectly. Is there a way to cancel my edit, or will the reviewers automatically do so for me? Also, I received a message when I tried to make another edit that I was blocked for being a vandal, not really sure what this means. This was my first time submitting a correction, so not sure why that message would appear? Any help is appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Barefootjimmy (talkcontribs) 20:10, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

I undid it for you. There's nothing to stop you from undoing your own edit. Meters (talk) 20:13, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
And there's nothing in your filter log about any blocked edits. Meters (talk) 20:14, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Disable Unnecessary Link Pop-ups?[edit]

When I place my pointer on a link, a pop-up appears containing the exact same word(s) visible in the link. For example, if the link is attached to the word "village", when I place my pointer on that link a pop-up appears with the word "village" inside it. Such pop-ups are unnecessary and serve absolutely no purpose. Is there a way to disable such pop-ups?

Thibeinn (talk) 21:05, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

@Thibeinn: It sounds like you have having a problem with the navigation popup. Go to preferences and gadgets and unselect navigation popups. That might help. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 21:45, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

@Timtempleton: I do not have that option selected.

Thibeinn (talk) 23:59, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

@Thibeinn: You probably see the page name which is often different from the link text. For example, [[Village (album)|Village]] produces Village where you may see "Village (album)" in the pop-up to show which page the link actually goes to. If you see "Enable previews" at the bottom right of pages then try clicking it, or enable "Page previews" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering. This gives a preview of an article when you hover over an article link. PrimeHunter (talk) 07:56, 8 August 2020 (UTC)


Yes. I am seeing the article name ("page name", as you called it) in a little pop-up.

I do not see "Enable previews" at the bottom right of any page here on the Wikipedia website.

"Page previews" is disabled in my preferences.

I do not want to see the little pop-ups at all. It is annoying to have a pop-up appear every time my pointer happens onto a link.

Thibeinn (talk) 14:16, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

@Thibeinn: Try saving the below in your common JavaScript. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:46, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
$(document).ready(function() {     $("a").removeAttr("title"); }); 


It works. Thank you very much.

Thibeinn (talk) 21:48, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

August 8[edit]

I'm having trouble setting up my page[edit]

Yes I'm trying to set up my Wikipedia page when I look it up in a search nothing comes up — Preceding unsigned comment added by Premo Predican (talkcontribs) 03:01, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

@Premo Predican: So, here's the problems, in no particular order:
1) You set up a user page, which is not an article. You're probably searching in for articles instead of user pages.
2) You've set up your user page as a webhost, which is not what user pages are for.
3) You're attempting to write an article about yourself, which is highly discouraged even if you're doing everything else right.
4) You're trying to write an article to promote your career, which is against our policy against promotion.
5) You seem to be thinking that Wikipedia does "profiles." No. Wikipedia is a volunteer-driven summary of independent and professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources.
For the correct way to go about writing an article, see "How to write articles that won't be rejected or deleted" in this guide I wrote for new users. Ian.thomson (talk) 03:10, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Obtaining copyright permission[edit]

I know of several places where the owner of a photo of an object or place would be happy to allow the image to be published in Wikipedia with free use. Every time I try to find out how to do it, I get discouraged by the vast amount of verbiage in Wikipedia. It should not be this difficult. (I am not a newbie, incidentally; I have been editing on Wikipedia since 2005.) I just need a simple piece of text, in which I can fill in the blanks in advance, ie the file-name of the image and the name of the owner, and then send to the image's owner. They will just need an e-mail address so that they can send their permission for the record. I guess that this requirement is very common, and so it should be at the start of any article describing how to obtain copyright permission. Only then should other complications be listed, ideally in another linked article. It should not be necessary to have the patience of a law student. JMcC (talk) 09:42, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

What matters is not ownership of the photo, it's ownership of copyright in the photo. If someone owns copyright in an image because they created it, and wants it to be published in Wikipedia with free use, there's no need for any email. They can upload it to Wikimedia Commons, at, and check the button that says "This file is my own work". Maproom (talk) 10:07, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
You are missing the point. I know people can load their own work, I have done it many times, but many other people are not active editors of Wikipedia. They would be willing for their photos to be used and I am willing to load the photo. I only want to send them a simple statement of the permission that they should give to Wikipedia. JMcC (talk) 12:13, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
Jmcc150, may be the help you need on Commons, the preferred place for uploads Fiddle Faddle 12:19, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. I was lost in the different options. Now I have a simple example. I think the Help section needs a Help section. JMcC (talk) 15:30, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Getting back my subject on wikipedia[edit]

Bonjour Utilisateur Mohand.C.A Je veux réccupèrer mon article sur: "Biigraphie sur torture et persecution des autorités algériènnes".qulq'un d'aitre que moi a sabotté cet article. Mérci — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohand.C.A (talkcontribs) 10:23, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Mohand.C.A,C'est le Wikipedia en anglais. Votre message est sûrement pour l'édition en français?? Presque toutes les gens ici parlent seulement en Anglais Fiddle Faddle 10:27, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
@Mohand.C.A: vouz pouvez demander une question avec l'aide de cette page - fr:Aide:Poser une question - sur le Wikipédia français. (You can ask a question with the help of this page - fr:Aide:Poser une question - on French Wikipedia.) Seagull123 Φ 12:22, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Taipanusa's question[edit]

Hi I'm new and want to help with Myanmar painters.

this is the wrong photo for U Kin Maung (Bank).

Instead show here is a photo of Kin Maung Yin. I'm certain. KMY is a different person. I knew him well.

How do I delete this photo?

How do I enter a correct photo--if I can find one (He died a long time ago)

Many thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Taipanusa (talkcontribs) 13:58, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

@Taipanusa: Welcome and thanks for offering to help. To delete the picture from the Kin Maung article, just edit the article and remove the picture's filename from within the infobox template. However, If you intend to create an article for KMY, then please defer this action until your KMY article is ready, for an obscure reason. This copyrighted picture was uploaded using a "fair use" rationale. We do not allow a "fair use" picture to remain on Wikipedia unless it is used in at least one article. So, to avoid its removal, leave it in the "wrong" article until you can add it to the new article. To write your new KMY article, please read WP:YFA. Since you knew KMY, please read WP:COI and put a note on your user page or user talk page to let the reviewers know. COI is not a problem, it's just a fact, and your note will ensure that the reviewers take a little extra care. After creating your KMY article, adding the picture to it, and deleting it from the KMB article, if you do find a picture for KMB, please come back here, and we can help you. Uploading a copyrighted picture under a "fair use" rationale is not simple. -Arch dude (talk) 19:38, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Redirects that break existing comments[edit]

There are times when a bunch of people use a wikilink in discussions on talk pages and noticeboards. Occasionally there is a proposal that, while otherwise reasonable, changes the target of an often-used Wikilink and thus makes every one of those comments link to a page the author did not intend to link to. Imagine the confusion if suddenly WP:AGF or even WP:1AM suddenly linked to some other page.

If the number of pages is small, it is easy to go and fix the links, but sometimes there are thousands of them.

Does Wikipedia have a an actual policy against doing this, or is this just one of those common sense things that everyone knows but nobody documents? --Guy Macon (talk) 16:48, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

@Guy Macon: Seems like common sense to me that if you change the meaning of a link, you have to resolve all existing usage. Large jobs can be handled by bots. Have an example? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:51, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 August 3#Wikipedia:DAILYMAIL --Guy Macon (talk) 21:55, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
  • "Lots of incoming links" is an argument against deletion per WP:R#KEEP #4 so I guess it also is an argument against retargeting. I am not aware of a policy, or historical precedent, for editing past discussions to substitute defunct or retargeted redirects with their previous target. TigraanClick here to contact me 11:59, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Toyota 2E engine[edit]

The Toyota 2E engine also came with a 4 speed manual transmission in the Corolla (South Africa)— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:17, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, please discuss the points at the article talk page; you can use Template:Request edit to request changes and you *must* provide a reliable source. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 21:31, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

15 mins on Wiki and DELETED?[edit]

I don't understand the discriminatory nature whereas there are several artists involved and I would like proper information to be added, yet in the very starts of learning to navigate through this process was dismissed and disregarded as a junk file? Disclaimer was that I was using this site for other purposes, I would just rather start our own before someone else decides to. WHY SUCH DISREGARD FOR BEGINNERS? — Preceding unsigned comment added by StrangeJRB (talkcontribs) 21:53, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

As was explained on your talk page (before you blanked it): This has been done under section U5 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to consist of writings, information, discussions, and/or activities not closely related to Wikipedia's goals. Meters (talk) 21:58, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
And since you posted I am trying to officiate the business in which I started to collaborate with artists. at the TeaHouse you should read WP:COI. Meters (talk) 22:01, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
See TeaHouse post for more. Meters (talk) 22:15, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
@StrangeJRB: Please see WP:NOTPROMO. Wikipedia is not here to officiate the business in which I started. The Teahouse post is WP:TH#Setting up Informative for business of Artists. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:27, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Article on Concert pitch[edit]


In the paragraph pre-19th century there is a sentence

For example, a tuning fork associated with Handel, dating from 1740, is pitched at A = About this sound422.5 Hz, while a later one from 1780 is pitched at A = About this sound409 Hz, about a quarter-tone lower.[3]

The reference linked to [3] has nothing to do with historical tuning forks, it is a reference to ACID Pro software. How do I draw attention to this error? I can’t supply a better reference but the one quoted seems entirely irrelevant. Should I delete the reference or what?

David — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:6C2F:9A00:2512:56C5:D6E8:606E (talk) 23:02, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Please post your concerns at Talk:Concert pitch. You can add {{Failed verification}} after the reference in the article. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:30, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
I removed the link to the advertisement as being purely promotional and replaced it with a Citation Needed. --Guy Macon (talk) 16:42, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

August 9[edit]

Help correcting a date link[edit] page has tables of links for years and months with a broken link for Oct 2018. Sorry, but unable to figure out how to correct the errant link which is,_October_2018

Multiple pages use the broken link in various tables, often twice on a given page.

Thank you! --NavajoDutchman (talk) 11:28, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

NavajoDutchman, IT seems to stem from {{Number of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States months list}} and is complex to work out when're and how to correct Fiddle Faddle 11:32, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
Not done - I have given it a very hard stare and am baffled. Fiddle Faddle 11:38, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
@NavajoDutchman: A simple error, corrected in this edit. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:37, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
David Biddulph, go you!!! Fiddle Faddle 11:39, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Vandalism help request from Sdkb[edit]

I have noticed some vandalism at [[1]]. Namely, A constant change of the name of Principal onm the right hand page, as well as other staff working at the school. Names of students or food items replace staff names. Though the school, does revert it back, it would be good to either ban certain random users or protect aspects of the page from change. You can verify the vandalism changes from the school website.

Would an editor please assist me with fixing it? Thank you, RSBConnect (talk) 14:47, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

OP has been blocked for promotion. Sdkb, I don't think you created a help request for the page, right? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:25, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Knaresborough / Knaresborough Online[edit]

Symbol redirect vote2.svg Courtesy link: Knaresborough

With reference to your reply - Of course I have an interest in what I am adding as I run the community page. How can you say there is a conflict of intersts as LIDL is mentioned on the page and this is DEFINATELY a business!!!! Our page supplies the community with information about Knaresborough and so it is of valid interest to those who look at all things Knaresborough on Wkipiedia. You have Knaresborough Post listed on the page and they ARE a commercial business. In fact Knaresborough online is the same as the Knaresborough Post except we are online and the are a traditional print!!! How can you honestly justify allowing LIDL to be on the page and not our towns community website.

I would like to take this up as an official complaint as I feel we are been unfairly treated Knaresborough Girl (talk) 15:58, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

@Knaresborough Girl: I replied on your talk page. -Arch dude (talk) 16:14, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

@Knaresborough Girl:
  1. Please read and understand our policy on conflict of interest. Having a conflict of interest means you have some professional or personal connection to the topic you are trying to write about. It makes it difficult if not impossible to write about the topic from a neutral point of view. In addition, if you work for Knaresborough Online, you have some mandatory disclosures to make.
  2. Regarding your edits to Knaresborough, you are trying to add your website to the section on "Culture and community". It does not fit there. If it should be there at all, it would probably be best under External links; however, because of your conflict of interest, you should not edit the page directly. Instead, if you think that website would be a valuable external link, you should visit the talk page, and put {{Request edit}} there, along with stating the changes you think should be made to the article. A disinterested editor will then come along (eventually - it can take a while as we are all volunteers) and review your request and decide if it is appropriate or not.
  3. Anything in the body of the article needs to be supported by reliable sources that indicate where the information comes from and that it is important. Keep this in mind if your edit request is anything more substantial than adding an external link.
I hope this information is helpful to you. If you have any further questions, please ask. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 16:16, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
Hi @Knaresborough Girl: I think you may want to have a look at Wikipedia's guides on conflicts of interest and the Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. It looks like you're trying to get the "Knaresborough Online" website on the Knaresborough page; Red Phoenix left a useful message at the top of your talk page, which summarises why your edits have been reverted, per WP:NOTWEBHOST. Wikipedia's gudielines on external links may also be of interest to you. Arch dude answered before I could, and their reply on your talk page looks useful. Seagull123 Φ 16:17, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

In response to your reply...I admit I first of all entered the website of the page and this was a mistake which i then corrected. So I wrote 'Knaresborough Online is a community and visitor page for the town. WHICH IT IS! How can you let LIDL be on there when they are quite clearly a big business. Our page supported the local town through the lockdown with information about where to buy food, info how to help those shielding and inportant numbers for those who are struggling including the SAMARITANS !!!! So how can you say we are not relevant when you have allowed LIDL on there AND Frazer theatre which is a commercial business too! This is wrong. Knaresborough Online is the only online information page which helps residents and also promotes tourism to our town which it needs right now following lockdown. This is unfair, LIDL dont provide such a service to locals...they sell food! I made a mistake entering the website but that is all. Please just put those few words on showing we exist. Knaresborough Girl (talk) 16:29, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Knaresborough Girl, can you prove Knaresborough Online is notable, per Wikipedia's standards? what relevance does the site have? Do you have independent sources that claim that it does what you claim? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:33, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
Knaresborough Girl No one is "letting" LIDL be on there. There are sources that discuss the importance of the town's supermarkets. Anything included in the body of an article should be supported by Reliable sources. If there are sources discussing Knaresborough Online, then that information can be considered for inclusion. Those sources must be independent - in other words, it can't be Knaresborough Online writing about itself. If you know of such sources, please follow the advice I gave you above to visit the talk page, put {{Request edit}} there, and state the changes you think should be made to the article, including citing the sources. Also, follow the mandatory disclosure instructions at WP:PAID - do this first before doing anything else.~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 16:55, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

How reliable are links as reference?[edit]

How reliable are links as reference? Recently I am seeing links used as reference in wiki articles. Man Floor (talk) 16:48, 9 August 2020 (UTC) and other archiving websites just create archives of other pages. The link is not the publisher/work, it is simply a link to a website. It is the website itself that needs to be a Reliable Source. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 16:50, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Article version numbers[edit]

Hi. Is there a way to find out the revision number of a particular edit on an article? My edit to Oda Schottmüller was revently reverted and I'm wondering whether the revision was for only my edit.Squeezdakat (talk) 17:12, 9 August 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Squeezdakat (talkcontribs) 17:11, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

@Squeezedat:, yes. If you look at the history page for Oda Schottmüller you can see your edit as the second version down from the top. If you click the date next to your user name, you will see the page as you edited it and in the address bar you will see oldid=972004006. That is the version number. The history page shows that Scope creep reverted your edit for reasons of copy-editing. If you wish to discuss this further, you should start a discussion at the article's talk page. I hope that helps. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:37, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
@Eggishorn: Thank you! Your answer is helpful. Squeezdakat (talk) 18:23, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
Hi Folks. @Squeezdakat: Your copyedit didn't really add anything, nor really improve the article in any significant way. Also i'm looking for a comprehensive end-to-end copyedit on this article and several others. I was told I'm separating the noun from the adjective, so it needs a real in-depth copyedit. Thanks. scope_creepTalk 17:45, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
@Scope creep: I understand. On reviewing my edit, I can see how it can be seen as not adding anything. Cheers! Squeezdakat (talk) 18:23, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
Guess I'll see this article hanging around in the backlog until next month...Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:29, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

how do i make a page to publish[edit]

i want to write a page but i dont know... can u help please explain — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lifeissona (talkcontribs) 20:33, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Lifeissona, if you're looking to create an article for Wikipedia, please be aware that it is one of the hardest things you can do on here, and I would recommend doing some easier stuff like making smaller edits to existing articles first. If you absolutely still want to create one, it is strongly recommended that you carefully read WP:YFA and use the Article Creation Wizard. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Lifeissona. If you are only 10, you are very welcome to edit Wikipedia, but please understand that we are here to build an encyclopaedia, not (mostly) to play. I suggest you have a look at advice for younger editors. --ColinFine (talk) 21:02, 9 August 2020 (UTC)


I have been doing some Wikipedia for a while but there are still some things I do not know.

Can I create multiple sandboxes? Does an original page need to be perfect? What will happen if I accidentally leave out a link or put some wrong information in? How can I make a WikiProject? How can I make a template? How can I find good photos since 99% of them have copyright? How can I make sure that my page is included in a WikiProejct that I'm a part of? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Webecoolalasdair (talkcontribs) 20:40, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

edit: forgot to sign the page Webecoolalasdair (talk) 20:40, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

  1. Yes, you can create multiple sandboxes. Just name them something like User:Webecoolalasdair/sandbox, User:Webecoolalasdair/sandbox 2, User:Webecoolalasdair/To do list, User:Webecoolalasdair/sandbox 3, etc.
  2. An original page does not need to be perfect or complete. It does need to cite some reliable sources, establish notability of its topic, and be legible. If you accidentally leave out a link or put incorrect information in, fix it as soon as you can.
  3. I don't know. Can you?
  4. The best way to find good photos is to go out and take them yourself. For historical topics, if the photo was taken and published prior to 1925, it's probably public domain and safe to use. Also, photos taken by the U.S. government and some other governmental entities are public domain (but check the specific country or state government carefully). For some things, such as commercial logos, fair use may apply, but be careful and make sure you understand how to write the rational.
  5. You include a page in a wikiproject by affixing the appropriate template to the talk page. New Page Reviewers may come along and apply it for you if you forget.
~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 20:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

importance of nationality[edit]

To assist contributors correctly identify the nationality of someone they are writing about, they should be knowledgable and intelligent enough to know that EVERYONE born in NORTHERN Ireland after TUESDAY 3rd MAY 1921 is BRITISH not IRISH. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C5:4702:AD00:25B5:3D26:3F34:CB20 (talk) 22:36, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Whichever specific article you have issues with, raise them at the article talkpage. And see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Ireland-related articles. NI or UK depends on whether you're a unionist or a republican, and Wikipedia doesn't side with either side. Joseph2302 (talk) 23:07, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
People can and do disagree about that in good faith. As noted above, Wikipedia does not take sides on the issue. 331dot (talk) 00:19, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
I'm proud to say that we have fine editors here in Wikipedia who are as unionist as I am republican (don't let the color fool ya); and we do our best to work together for the greater good. --Orange Mike | Talk 02:22, 10 August 2020 (UTC)


Can’t reset password. Never get email link — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:51, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Make sure you have typed the address in correctly. There also could be a delay in the system. If you cannot recover your password, you will need to create a new account and identify it as a successor to your old account. 331dot (talk) 00:21, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

August 10[edit]

Use of acronyms in quotation marks[edit]

Could anyone please tell me if it's all right to use acronyms in quotation marks ("... the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, or 'NASA'"), or should the acronym just be in parentheses, lacking quotation marks or the conjunction "or" after the full name?

(Edit: Added ellipsis and non-breaking space at beginning of quote.)

(Second edit: Removed extra space accidentally added in previous edit, sorry about that.)

(Third edit: Placed edit notes on different lines.)

(Fourth edit: Sorry if I added an extra space between my original post here and the reply. If it was the replier, then nothing against him, since it was his reply; it's just that I would hate to even slightly alter somebody else's reply.)--Thylacine24 (talk) 04:24, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

No. It should be something like (full sentence to avoid further quote mark confusion): "He worked at the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA)." Clarityfiend (talk) 05:34, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
@Clarityfiend: Thanks. Sorry about the quotation mark confusion.(Edit: Added reply template, sorry not to do that earlier.)--Thylacine24 (talk) 12:02, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
@Clarityfiend: Could you please tell me if you usually put a space between your replies on the talk page? I fear I may have accidentally added one between my original post here and your reply. Sorry about that.--Thylacine24 (talk) 12:26, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

List of people who died climbing Mount Everest table in Android app[edit]

The wikitable in the "Fatalities" section List of people who died climbing Mount Everest article is not showing correctly in the Android app (OnePlus 7 Pro), but displays fine if I open it in Chrome on the same phone. I'm not sure if this is an issue with the app or the formatting of the table itself, but if anyone knows of a solution, it would be greatly appreciated. TheMrP (talk) 06:35, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

@TheMrP: you may get a quicker answer for this if you ask at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). Seagull123 Φ 12:50, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
See phab:T203293 * Pppery * it has begun... 13:42, 10 August 2020 (UTC)


Dear Sir/ Madam, I have registered all my details on wikipedia but anytime i try to type my name on Google or in the search engine,my details does not come up.Please can i get some assistant ? Thank you. Lawrence Lartey . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:3B2:8A00:8953:E546:FB38:A052 (talk) 08:04, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Your IP address has no other edits and Lawrence Lartey works fine. I guess you are User:Ojekooradio and refer to User:Ojekooradio/sandbox. It's an unsubmitted userspace draft and not indexed by search engines. See Wikipedia:Autobiography and Help:Your first article. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:13, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
And please also note that we have no control over when Google displays it's Google Knowledge Graph. Victor Schmidt (talk) 08:14, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
10:17, 10 August 2020 Salvio giuliano talk contribs blocked Ojekooradio talk contribs with an expiration time of indefinite (account creation blocked) ({{uw-spamublock}} <!-- (SUPG) -->). So that will take a while. Victor Schmidt (talk) 08:22, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Account User[edit]

How can i identify the successor of my old account?

Where Do I need to add these > ("I am User2, I previously used User1") — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:15, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Best place is the user page of each account. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:17, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Downloading a table[edit]

I want to download the table on the page to excel. How can I do this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:51, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

I assume you mean one of the tables at List_of_semiconductor_fabrication_plants. AFAIK there is no simple way of doing this, or at least not easy unless you have a database server that is capable of importing Wikisyntax-Tables. Victor Schmidt (talk) 11:15, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
You can just select the table and copy it to excel. Danski454 (talk) 11:55, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Deleting pages[edit]

I have been collecting various links in order to write some articles at a later date. There are many duplicate pages though, I cannot figure out how to delete a page or book.

James — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jasbflower (talkcontribs) 16:08, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

@Jasbflower: If you created the pages you can add {{db-g7}} to the top to have an admin delete them. Otherwise, you may want to read Wikipedia:Guide to deletion, and use one of the processes listed there. Danski454 (talk) 18:41, 10 August 2020 (UTC)


I would like to donate to Wikipedia but do not wish to give my PAN No. Nowhere anybody asks for this in India. Since I am making payment through bank, who know my source of income as well as PAN No. etc, why should I give it again on a public platform? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:00, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

This page lists several ways you can donate: [2]. There is also an e-mail address there where you can ask for futher help or report problems. RudolfRed (talk) 18:59, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

I m reporting wrong permotion on Wikipedia[edit]

He is my grandfather i request uou to give him proper dignity that he deserves — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:00, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

This is the help desk for English Wikipedia. We have no control over the content of Wikipedia in other languages. You can try asking for assistance at Hindi Wikipedia. Danski454 (talk) 18:45, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Accessing Wikidata[edit]

Data held at Wikidata may be accessed by various means, such as

But where is the documentation for {{#statements:...}} and related constructs? On Wikipedia (it's certainly not at H:MW), Wikidata, Meta or MediaWiki? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:02, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

d:Wikidata:How to use data on Wikimedia projects#Parser function is one place. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:05, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
OK, thanks. However, it doesn't suggest that any formatting options are available, so it doesn't help with the problem that I'm really trying to solve, which is how to suppress the two layers of <span>...</span> tags that {{#statements:...}} always seems to wrap its output in. Taking my {{#statements:P106|from=Q42}} example from above (since it illustrates it quite well), this emits
<span><span>[[Playwright|playwright]]</span>, <span>[[Screenwriter|screenwriter]]</span>, <span>[[Novelist|novelist]]</span>, <span>children&#39;s writer</span>, <span>science fiction writer</span>, <span>[[Comedian|comedian]]</span>, <span>[[Writer|writer]]</span></span> 
- is there any way of stripping those? If there is, it would be useful for Help talk:Template#Greater than/less than? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:31, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
I believe you need to use #property (documented very sparsely at d:Wikidata:How to use data on Wikimedia projects#Raw value) instead if you want the raw value. * Pppery * it has begun... 20:13, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
You could use something like {{wikidata|property|Q42|P106}}, which outputs playwright with no formatting. Danski454 (talk) 20:18, 10 August 2020 (UTC)


Hi there,

I read Cronyism and found that Nepal is missing in the Asian countries' list. I am a native (citizen) of Nepal. Nepal has always been one of the most corrupt country in the world before (during rana & shah dynasty) and after the restoration of democracy.

It is also worth noting that Nepotism is on rise in recent years -- Nepalese politicians have been proudly practicing nepotism since so long. Becasue of that majority of intellectuals and students are leaving Nepal since they do not see their future in Nepal -- one of the most corrupt third world country.

Therefore, please enlist Nepal for Cronyism and Nepotism.

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:81:4000:D5F0:2054:89E7:AF7D:F46A (talk) 21:35, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

That may very well be the case, but are there any reliable, independent sources that support your claim? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:03, 10 August 2020 (UTC)