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Guidance on Draft:Ronkay Arslan
[edit]Hi Toadspike,
I hope you are doing well. While I was preparing to ask WikiMentor01 about the recent decline of my article Draft:Ronkay_Arslan – I noticed your note on the page and saw that you have considerable experience reviewing drafts. I thought it best to come straight to you for advice.
Over the past few weeks I have:
•Replaced all primary or self-published references with independent national and international coverage of Ronkay Arslan.
•Added inline citations for every factual statement.
•Edited the prose to ensure a neutral, encyclopaedic tone and correct English usage.
Despite this, the draft was declined for insufficient notability. Could you point me to the passages or sources that still fall short of Wikipedia’s standard? I have invested a great deal of time refining the article and would value any specific guidance you can offer before I resubmit.
Thank you for the work you do to keep the encyclopedia reliable, and for any direction you can provide.
Best regards, Vikiloger (talk) 06:02, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
- (talk page watcher) Hi @Vikiloger! I've taken a look at your draft's sources. As a piece of advice, you don't usually need that many sources to prove notability – three sources are usually enough, but what matters is the quality of these sources. You would want them to be independent, reliable, and talk in-depth about Arslan. That's also the reason why a "Media coverage" section isn't ideal – if the sources are in-depth, they will provide material that can be used to write about him, instead of just mentioning their existence.[1] is a primary, self-published source, so doesn't count for notability. [2], [3] don't mention Arslan. [4], [5], [6] only mention him when listing the cast members, so not significant coverage. [7], [8], [9] actually don't list him in the cast, so don't verify the information, let alone providing significant coverage.[10], [11], [12] also don't list him as one of the jurors. [13] is a link to watch the show, so not an independent source. [14] relies on what Arslan says about his own company, and reads a lot like a press release. [15], [16], [17] also read like advertisements, and might be paid articles, especially since I can't find any byline. [18] only mentions him in cast listings alongside many other actors, still no significant coverage. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 08:03, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
How is this a redirect consensus? As a non admin you don't have the ability to delete. LibStar (talk) 10:55, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
- @LibStar A valid alternative to deletion was presented, to redirect to an article where the subject is mentioned. This is certainly a valid redirect; as the article content was not problematic (e.g. BLP vio, copyright infringement, hoax), deleting before redirecting is unnecessary (WP:NOTBURO, in addition to moral principles such as not unnecessarily hiding page history). As the ATD was presented in the last !vote, it's not possible to assess the views of other participants on it. Here the closer has two choices: relist and ping everyone, or perform a bartender close and pick the most sensible option. I have gone with the latter, again in the spirit of NOTBURO.
- If you still disagree with my reasoning, you are welcome to challenge the close at MRV. Toadspike [Talk] 11:44, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
Deletion review for Vittorio Mancini (wrestler)
[edit]An editor has asked for a deletion review of Vittorio Mancini (wrestler). Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. LibStar (talk) 00:48, 30 June 2025 (UTC)