Template talk:NarcissismWikipedia Open wikipedia design.
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Problems with this template
The rules for navigation templates, as listed in Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and navigation templates, are that ideally they should link to a small, well-defined group of articles on wikipedia.
- All articles within a template relate to a single, coherent subject. - template fails this
- The subject of the template should be mentioned in every article. - many article don't mention narcissism
- The articles should refer to each other, to a reasonable extent. - don't think this is true for this template. The articles and wikionary links don't refer to each other.
- There should be a Wikipedia article on the subject of the template. - not true. Template links multiple times to the same article e.g. Narcissistic personality disorder and Narcissism. Many links are piped misleadingly.
According to the Reliable sources noticeboard, "The purpose of these templates are for navigation, thus the name navigational templates, meaning to link between wikipedia articles, not pages in external websites, including sistersites such as wiktionary."
This template links to sistersites such as wiktionary. e.g. Arrogance, Bravado, Conceit, Drama queen, Grandstanding, Haughtiness, Hidden agenda, Self-absorbed, Swaggering, Jerk, Swaggering. These do not have wikipedia articles.
It also links to wikipedia articles that don't mention narcissism. e.g. Walter Mitty, Nepotism, Valley girl, Diva, Dorian Gray syndrome, Mr. Toad, Tantrum Empire-building, Metrosexual, Don Juanism, Prima donna, Snob, Valley girl, Messiah complex, Micromanagement, Victory disease etc.
Since this template is in Category: Psychology templates, I propose that it only link to articles in psychology that discuss narcissism to a reasonable degree.
- Thanks for raising these concerns, which seem to be valid. It's not quite a proper use of a navigational template to have many many links to the same article, or to unrelated articles. I've removed some links but I urge other editors to get involved in tidying up this template. MartinPoulter (talk) 13:54, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
- User:Penbat, though Farrajak may have been a sock puppet, the problems highlighted with the template are real and bold action needs to be taken to bring it into line with Wikipedia policy and the purpose of a navigational template. Please respond by engaging in the discussion, not using misleadingly-summarised edits to get the template how you want it. MartinPoulter (talk) 19:02, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
- See also this edit summary from another user. MartinPoulter (talk) 10:54, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
Discussion of multiple templates including this one
Just created at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Psychology#Review_of_navigational_templates. MartinPoulter (talk) 16:42, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
Scope is too broad to be useful
What is the purpose and who is the audience for this directory.
It might be constructive to rethink what the topic is and who this template is targeted to -- and then evaluate the links.
How is this much different than: [Category:Narcissism]
Articles with little useful content
Neither of these articles has any significant content on the topic of Narcissism. The status symbol article has a small amount of text copied from another narcissism article, so there's really no reason to include it here. 2602:306:C5B4:E3D0:4060:393:581D:3D36 (talk) 09:00, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
The extent of the Mr. Toad material:
Mr. Toad is an anthropomorphic common toad who is the village squire, being the wealthy owner and occupant of Toad Hall. Toad is very rich and a bit of a fop, with a penchant for Harris tweed suits. He owns his own horse, and is able to indulge his impulsive desires, such as punting, house boating and hot air ballooning. Toad is intelligent, creative and resourceful; however, he is also narcissistic, self-centred almost to the point of sociopathy, and completely lacking in even the most basic common sense. His reckless interest in motor cars leads to an episode in which he steals a car and subsequently crashes it. The result is a twenty-year prison sentence, but he escapes, dressed as a washer woman, to regain his family seat of Toad Hall from the clutches of the weasels.
"...he is also narcissistic..." It'd be crazy to include every person or character who has been described as "narcissistic". Especially such an insignificant mention. I am going to restore the deletions. 2602:306:C5B4:E3D0:ED6D:9D06:362C:5C7E (talk) 03:40, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
I'm having trouble understanding why Sam Vaknin is included in the template. While that article does address his work in the field, this is the only individual included in the template. Is he so much more important than any other researchers or theoreticians that his name alone should appear on this template? 2602:306:C5B4:E3D0:4060:393:581D:3D36 (talk) 09:24, 26 October 2015 (UTC)