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This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page, by a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area, from which the articles are promoted into the Queue.


Count of DYK Hooks
Section # of Hooks # Verified
October 12 1
October 19 1
October 21 2 2
October 22 2
October 26 2 2
October 30 3 2
October 31 2
November 1 1 1
November 3 2 2
November 4 1 1
November 5 3 1
November 6 5 4
November 7 6 6
November 8 4 3
November 9 4 3
November 10 5 5
November 11 5 5
November 12 9 8
November 13 8 7
November 14 10 9
November 15 9 8
November 16 5 4
November 17 12 10
November 18 9 7
November 19 10 8
November 20 7 5
November 21 3 3
November 22 8 5
November 23 15 10
November 24 8 3
November 25 10 7
November 26 16 10
November 27 10 6
November 28 8 4
November 29 5 4
November 30 8 6
December 1 14 8
December 2 7 5
December 3 8 5
December 4 11 4
December 5 7 5
December 6 16 8
December 7 12 5
December 8 3 2
December 9 8 3
December 10 10 4
December 11 10 3
December 12 5 2
December 13 5 1
December 14 8
December 15
Total 343 216
Last updated 06:25, 15 December 2019 UTC
Current time is 06:27, 15 December 2019 UTC [refresh]

Instructions for nominators[edit]

Create a subpage for your new DYK suggestion and then list the page below under the date the article was created or the expansion began or it became a good article (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the bottom. Any registered user may nominate a DYK suggestion (if you are not a registered user, please leave a message at the bottom of the DYK project talk page with the details of the article you would like to nominate and the hook you would like to propose); self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination (consider watchlisting your nomination page).

If this is your first nomination, please read the DYK rules before continuing:
Official DYK criteria: DYK rules and supplementary guidelines
Unofficial guide: Learning DYK

To nominate an article[edit]

Read these instructions completely before proceeding.
For simplified instructions, see User:Rjanag/Quick DYK 2.
Create the nomination subpage.

Enter the article title in the box below and click the button. (To nominate multiple articles together, enter any or all of the article titles.) You will then be taken to a preloaded nomination page.

Write the nomination.

On the nomination page, fill in the relevant information. See Template:NewDYKnomination and {{NewDYKnomination/guide}} for further information.

  • Not every line of the template needs to be filled in. For instance, if you are not nominating an image to appear with your hook, there is no need to fill in the image-related lines.
  • Add an edit summary e.g. "Nominating YOUR ARTICLE TITLE for DYK" and click Save page.
  • Make sure the nomination page is on your watchlist, so you can follow the review discussion.

In the current nominations section find the subsection for the date on which the article was created or on which expansion began (or, if a new Good Article, the date on which it became a GA), not the date on which you make the nomination.

How to review a nomination[edit]

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.

To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:

  • Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
  • Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
  • The top of the page includes a list of the DYK criteria. Check the article to ensure it meets all the relevant criteria.
  • To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:

    Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.

    If you are the first person to comment on the nomination, there will be a line :* <!-- REPLACE THIS LINE TO WRITE FIRST COMMENT, KEEPING :* --> showing you where you should put the comment.
  • Save the page.

If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.

Frequently asked questions[edit]


This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first (so that those hooks don't grow stale), it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions above).

Where is my hook?[edit]

If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.

If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.

Search archived DYK nomination discussions[edit]

Instructions for other editors[edit]

How to promote an accepted hook[edit]

  • See Wikipedia:Did you know/Preparation areas for full instructions.
  • Hooks that have been approved are located on the approved nominations page.
  • In one window, open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to promote.
  • In another window, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.
  • In the prep set...
    • Paste the hook into the hook area (be sure to not paste in that that)
    • Paste the credit information ({{DYKmake}} and/or {{DYKnom}}) into the credits area.
    • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted [[Jane Fonda]]", preview, and save
  • Back on DYK nomination page...
    • change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage
    • change |passed= to |passed=yes
    • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted to Prep 3", preview, and save

How to remove a rejected hook[edit]

  • Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
  • In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.

How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue[edit]

  • Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
  • Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
    • View the edit history for that page
    • Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
    • Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
  • Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
  • If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.

How to move a nomination subpage to a new name[edit]

  • Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.


Older nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on October 12[edit]

Tujhe Kitna Chahne Lage

5x expanded by DBigXray (talk). Self-nominated at 11:27, 12 October 2019 (UTC). co-nom DiplomatTesterMan (talk)

  • Symbol possible vote.svg @DBigXray: If the AfD closes, this will be very close to ready. The expansion is large enough and new enough, and a QPQ is present. I advise against ALT1 because the topic isn't very well known outside India. The Firstpost source for the hook is OK and backs the hook claims but a bit thin of an article. I have done some copyediting myself. The following is a list of specific article issues that need resolution:
  • There is a [better source needed] (lede paragraph 3) and a [clarification needed] ("Charts", sentence 1) in this article.
  • The sentence beginning "The music producer is" lacks an inline citation, which is needed as it is the last sentence of the paragraph.
Credit to you, this is a very good revamp, but the AfD must close "keep" for this to be worthy of consideration. Raymie (tc) 03:57, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
ALT0 goes against the WP:DYKHOOK rule of "If the subject is a work of fiction or a fictional character, the hook must involve the real world in some way.". For ALT1; Kapoor was clean shaven in at least the 2010 film Milenge Milenge; pics here. We cant have false facts as hook.
Why don't you suggest a hook on how the song is among the most viewed Youtube video? Oh wait; that's false too.
Then why dont you make a hook on how its been on charts? Oh wait; those aren't credible enough to back with WP:RS and WP:CHARTS.
Why dont you just give opinion like lets say xyz non-notable blogwriter considers the songs to very notable? Wait again; that's not what hooks are for. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 03:26, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
  • This song isn't about Shahid Kapoor it is about Kabir Singh. The hook sounds like Kapoor literally turned alcoholic and broke up with his wife. In the article it says "Shahid Kapoor is shown as trying to move on in his life but he was unable to forget the memories of his love Preeti" we should not mention his name rather change it to his stage name Kabir. ___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk (We are the champions, my friends) 19:18, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
  • The concerns above make me very worried indeed. (If it doesn't show, this isn't my topic area.) They call into question the suitability of ALT0 and the accuracy of ALT1 (and its source). @Dharmadhyaksha and CAPTAIN MEDUSA: is there more information that might be useful to me, or any suggestions to be made of the nominator? Raymie (tc) 22:24, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
  • There are multiple issues with this article including The song was reported as topping the music charts in July 2019 and was one of the top ten viewed songs of the world on YouTube. however the source says the song got 20 million views within 24 hours. Kiara Advani plays the role of Preeti or Preety. The second paragraph on Music Video says Kiara Advani who played the role of Preety, Kabir's love interest then later in the sentence it says after getting separated from Preeti. The article title is not in italic however name in the article is italic but infobox is not.___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk (We are the champions, my friends) 12:14, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
  • The AFD has now closed as keep. @Dharmadhyaksha: can you propose a new hook since ALT0 has BLP issues and ALT1's accuracy has come into doubt? Raymie (tc) 17:37, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Also pinging the original nominator DBigXray. Raymie (tc) 21:31, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
  • I suggest you familiarize yourself with the DYK process before !voting "oppose" or "strong oppose" on yet another DYK nomination. Dee03 15:00, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Dee03, may-be the volume of my net contributions (which is about five times that of your's) or my net contributions in DYK-space or a comparison of our number of GAs, will let you know about my familiarity? Or, may-be, you need to know about how fly-by people express their discontent over this domain, when they are not the primary reviewer? That being said, I admire your battleground-attitude. Ta, WBGconverse 15:21, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
  • I have no interest in comparing my contributions with you. I have a life outside Wikipedia, a busy one at that. I suggest you strike off the "battleground attitude" remark unless you explain how I displayed "battleground attitude". Dee03 15:24, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Figures. Dee03 15:26, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg In a bid to get this nomination back in line and because a quality hook seems to be the missing ingredient, I'm proposing an ALT2 and asking for a real, serious DYK review. I would also like to ask DBigXray about something I noticed: the "Reception" quotes from India Today and The Statesman are awfully close to each other (offbeat, sad-romantic). What's going on there? Raymie (tc) 17:32, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
ALT2: ... that while critics praised Arijit Singh's voice in "Tujhe Kitna Chahne Lage", the song's lyrics received a mixed reaction? Raymie (tc) 17:32, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
IMHO both "offbeat" and "sad romantic" are over used cliche words in Indian media. both are seperate media houses and I would consider it a coincidence. Thanks for the ALT, I had been busy with the AfD, followed by Diwali celebration. DBigXray 17:57, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
@DBigXray: Happy Diwali! To incorporate this into one discussion, Xray had DiplomatTesterMan suggest some alternate hooks, which I've reproduced here with light copyediting (numbers changed to accommodate my ALT2):
I'm not a fan of ALT4 as the name is not familiar to people outside of India (myself included). ALT3/3a isn't bad, and neither is ALT5. ALT6 seems subjective in the "did well" and has an odd pairing, but the News18 source reveals an ALT7 I really like and that won't have fictional universe problems: Raymie (tc) 18:25, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
Yes, in terms of the fictional universe problem, ALT 7 is one of the cleanest. DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 06:29, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg A full review is still needed here as it has been several weeks since the last comments. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 06:51, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Hi @DBigXray: I am just starting to read this article, and I am a bit confused. I will admit that I am not familiar with articles about chart-topping songs, so I may just be missing something, or misunderstanding. What confuses me is that the first para in the 'Music video' section says "The music video was released on 19 June 2019 by T-Series on YouTube, receiving 20 million views on the same day. It has been viewed more than 59 million times since the day of its release." The references are Youtube (which now shows 71,105,330 views), and Gaana.com and a Times of India article [3] (neither of which have any info about the number of views that I can see).
Then the last sentence in the 'Charts' section says "on the T-Series YouTube channel, the song had been streamed 96 million times within the first month of the film's release". The source for that sentence does have that number.
I realise that the verb is different - 'view' in the first instance, and 'stream' in the second. But is this really saying that the music video was streamed 96 million times by July 22 this year (the date of that source), but only viewed "more than 59 million times" (or more than 71 million to today's date)? That suggests that somehow Youtube can tell if the people streaming the video are actually watching it!
Please forgive me if I am misunderstanding because I don't understand this technological language, but I would like to be clear about whether the number in ALT7 is supported by the article and sources, since that seems the preferred hook - although perhaps some of the other ALTs are also acceptable - I will also look at them. RebeccaGreen (talk) 16:43, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
  • While waiting for clarification on ALT7, I have struck the hooks that other editors have noted as inaccurate, awkward or not interesting to a broad audience, leaving 4 hooks to consider. RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:50, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment: RebeccaGreen, how about we all just let ALT7 be since there are so many different numbers (which all may be correct but the timeline and what they are referring to is a mess). Hope User:Raymie has no issues with this suggestion. DTM (talk) 11:26, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
  • @DiplomatTesterMan and DBigXray: OK, I have struck ALT7. Looking at the remaining three hooks, ALT2 and ALT3a are in the article and sourced. The source for ALT5 is clear, as the title of that review is "‘Kabir Singh’ music review: Likeable ballads in a booster shot of saccharine rock", but the words "saccharine rock" are not actually used in this article. Please could you add them, if you would like that hook to be considered? RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:02, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
  • I added the words "saccharine rock" into the body of the article. I missed this point when suggesting the hook. Thanks for pointing it out. DTM (talk) 06:31, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

Symbol confirmed.svg Approving ALT2, ALT3a and ALT5. I don't have a preference among these, and will leave it to promoters to choose. (I have made a minor tweak to ALT5, changing " Kabir Singh 's songs" to "the songs in Bollywood film Kabir Singh ", as I found the former awkward in reference to a film, not a person.) The facts in these hooks appear in the article with citations to their sources immediately after them. The article overall was expanded to more than 5x its previous length within seven days of its nomination. It is long enough, neutral, well sourced, and there are no copyvio problems. A QPQ was done. Thanks for helping to finalise this, DTM. RebeccaGreen (talk) 07:40, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

  • Added "the" before "Bollywood" in the updated ALT5. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:10, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but the article needs a copy-edit to smooth out the grammar. It is too long for me to edit now, but I did tidy up the lead. I removed sentences that didn't have to do with the song per se. There seems to be a discrepancy in the lead, as the first sentence says this is a song from the film, and the second sentence says a different song was sung in the film. Yoninah (talk) 17:17, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
Yoninah, Thanks for the kind comment. That was a good catch. I have rectified the article to fix this discrepancy. I haven't yet seen the film, but my understanding is that the song is a part of the film album. In the film they have used a film version of the song with same tune but a small 2 word change in the lyrics. The article is about the song that is the part of the album, as that is what is hitting the charts. The album version of the song, was released along with a trailer of the film as a music video. In Indian film industry the song video forms an important and indispensable part of the song. Which is why there is a video section in the article and the lead included a one line summary of the video. One cannot say that it doesn't have anything to do with the song, as it is a part of this song. Also Pinging the co-nom DTM who has seen the film and can correct me if I made any mistake or overlooked something. Yoninah please do not proceed until we hear from DTM. regards. DBigXray 17:43, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
@DBigXray: but you're linking in the first sentence to the film, not the album. Yoninah (talk) 22:29, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
Yoninah, The Kabir_Singh#Soundtrack is currently a section of the film article, and doesn't yet have its own article, so...DBigXray 22:53, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
@DBigXray: I rewrote the lead again, and put the second song in a note, but it's not clear at all. Usually a soundtrack album has songs that were sung in the film. You're saying that this song was called something different and sung by someone else, then appeared on the soundtrack album under a different name and different singer? You might have to add more prose to the Production section to explain all this. Yoninah (talk) 23:11, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
Yoninah, " Usually a soundtrack album has songs that were sung in the film.", indeed, that is usually the case, but often the soundtrack album contains 2-3 (even 4 or more) other versions of a popular song, with minor differences such as female version, soft version, remix version, unplugged version, etc etc. The movie doesn't contain all these versions yet they are a part of the soundtrack album and help to increase the selling of the albums and subsequently helps in promoting the film. There are two versions of this song, and both the lead and the article clarifies this. Can you point me what exactly you would like to see that is missing. DBigXray 23:18, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
Yoninah, I have seen the movie and I can confirm that whatever I said above is true. I have made few more necessary changes in the article to reduce the confusion between the 2 versions. IMHO this is now ready. Please do check and let me know if you would like to have anything more. If not you may proceed. thanks for reviewing this. DBigXray 08:15, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
  • @DBigXray: Before I look at anything, the grammatical problems are still there. I think you should apply at WP:GOCE before nominating anything here. Yoninah (talk) 11:19, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
OK, I have asked GOCE. DBigXray 11:24, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment I would just like to point out that this article is in Indian English. I am not very familiar with that variety, but I did not see anything in this article that I didn't also see in the sources. I think that the grammatical questions are largely a matter of WP:ENGVAR. RebeccaGreen (talk) 00:21, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
Indeed, this article is in Indian English that I speak. If the concerns above are due to the variations then they should not be changed. Yoninah can you point a few examples behind your last statement. I would be able to check if that is indeed a concern or just a valid difference in the language versions. DBigXray 09:02, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
I see that Yoninah has yet to reply, but there are indeed grammatical issues that I believe cross language variants. For example, the second paragraph under Production has a number of problems: the first sentence starts with "Song" and uses an ampersand for "and". The second sentence is about a different version of the song entirely—was it, too, recorded in the same place and mixed and mastered by the same person?—and needs significant work. The article doesn't mention the length of the original version in the prose (it should), so having the length of the alternate version is a bit odd in this context. The final sentence is makes no sense (and the source isn't any better, with its "no music usage in the initial bit")—while I suspect it means that the instrumental accompaniment doesn't get started until after the singing has begun, this isn't at all clear, and "lacking music" makes no sense since a vocal line is, by definition, music. Under the circumstances, I'd delete the sentence unless a clearer source can be found, or the song is listened to and a clearer description of its opening can be made. The first paragraph under Music video also has issues, with the number of views described as "over 59 million" and "over 70 million"; while both are true, it's confusing to list any but the highest of those, and that final sentence needs work. I recommend taking Yoninah's advice: the backlog at WP:GOCER is not so very long, and I echo her recommendation that you submit this there for a copyedit. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:47, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
BlueMoonset, it has already been submitted for copyedit on 4 December 2019 (here). Other points noted. DTM (talk) 08:28, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 19[edit]

Swami Chakrapani

Created by Harshil169 (talk). Self-nominated at 03:21, 22 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Hooks are okay and cited, although the first ones use of Dawood Ibrahim twice seems a bit redundant. Age of the article is good. However the article is templated for copy editing for grammar, style, cohesion, tone, or spelling. In addition for a biographical article, very little basic information (birth date, birth place, education, ect.) is present in the article, in fact the article seems to solely deal with the controversies that Chakrapani has been involved with rather than Chakrapani himself. The lead section of the article presents information such as Dawood Ibrahim and fake baba which, although clarified later on in the article, would probably be unfamiliar and confusing to many DYK readers who are not acquainted with the history and terms used in India. This is a good start but the article needs some tiding up to do before I would feel confident okaying it for the DYK section in the main page. Inter&anthro (talk) 10:10, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment my apology, I forgot to mention that at the time of this edit the nominator has not listed any other DYK that they have reviewed. As this is not Harshil169's first DYK per WP:QPQ I think they need to review another unrelated DYK for this one to be considered. There are some criteria where WP:QPQ does not apply, either way I encourage to nominator to look into it. Inter&anthro (talk) 10:17, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 Comment: @Inter&anthro: this is my first DYK nomination. I don’t know much about DYK. Please guide me.— Harshil want to talk? 11:13, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
@Harshil169: I'm pretty sure Weeping Jesus statue in Mumbai, which is actually on the DYK right now, was started by you. However if you did not nominate it, than you are correct and WP:QPQ will not apply for your first nomination. From here on after though it is expected that you review a least one nomination for every one of your new nominations. It is a policy to ensure editors contribute to the broader DYK project than just nominating their own article again and again, that's all. Inter&anthro (talk) 11:24, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
@Inter&anthro: No no. It was started by DBigXray. You can check the talk page. — Harshil want to talk? 12:09, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
(responding to ping) Good Lord ! Nether the Nominator @Harshil169: nor the reviewer @Inter&anthro: felt it necessary to read WP:QPQ despite linking it thrice on this page. Had any of you actually read that, then you would have known that nominators with less than 5 DYKs are QPQ exempt. And Harshil here has only 1 DYK credit. DBigXray 15:56, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
I had always been told after your first nomination you were expected to review and another editor's nomination hence forth. For your information I DID read WP:QPQ, hence why I said "There are some criteria where WP:QPQ does not apply, either way I encourage to nominator to look into it" although I wasn't sure what constituted a point for DYK. No worries though, I've struck out the original comment. Inter&anthro (talk) 16:04, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
Inter&anthro FWIW, On the DYK toolbox on the top right there is a link for QPQ Check, reviewers are expected to make use of that to check if QPQ is needed or exempt. If you think about it, there is a common sense reason why noobs should not be asked to review DYKs. Take the example of Harshil above, he clearly said "I Dont know much about DYK", so it is not fair to force and ask someone who lacks experience, to do something that he might not be able do properly. After 5 DYKs a reasonable experience comes which is why community has added a 5 DYK rule for QPQ. If someone asked Inter&anthro then it was not per the existing consensus. There isnt really much to do about DYKs but whatever there is to do should be done with utmost sincerity. (we do not want COPYVIOs or Fringe theories or AfD worthy pages on the mainpage.) In conclusion, the miss, where the reviewer failed to do a QPQ check using the tool above, must not be repeated. cheers. DBigXray 16:53, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
  • @DBigXray: my apology about that, I promise it won't happen again, I'll keep WP:QPQ in mind next time I review a DYK, @Harshil169: you can ignore my second comment, I've struck it out, I'm sorry about the confusion it caused, it was my mistake not yours. Inter&anthro (talk) 18:28, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Cool. @Harshil169: next time when you are nominating a DYK, remember to mention "QPQ Exempt" in the parameter "Reviewed", (instead of leaving it blank) until you are QPQ eligible. This will help to avoid the confusion like above. After 5 DYKs it will be expected that on the parameter "reviewed" you will add the link to the DYK page that you have reviewed.DBigXray 06:10, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
  •  Comment: @Inter&anthro: CE- Green tickY
    Lead fixes - Green tickY
    Hook change - Green tickY removed name which was appearing twice
    Biography- Red XN Not all details are controversial here and biographical details are not available in RS.
*Symbol confirmed.svg The issues outlined above have largely been fixed by Harshill169. It would be nice if some more biographical information could be added since this is a BLP article, but given the lack of reliable sources it is understandable. I've added a couple categories. Sources look good and reliable. No further issues that I can notice here regarding DYK eligibility. Inter&anthro (talk) 01:00, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg The article needs a copyedit. Please apply at WP:GOCE. Yoninah (talk) 14:52, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
  • IIRC, Dawood ain't currently in the NIA Most-Wanted list ...... WBGconverse 17:19, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Fair but we can use the fact that he is a UNSC designated terrorist. See this list (QDi-135) and this news-piece by Dawn. Need to think a it esp. about whether it will flout WP:LABEL .... WBGconverse 18:32, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Alt2a:- ... that Swami Chakrapani wanted to convert the eatery and hotel of Dawood Ibrahim, a UNSC sanctioned criminal, into public toilets? is my choice but I am not confident enough. @Passer-by reviewers:- Opinions, please. WBGconverse 16:12, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
  • @Winged Blades of Godric: thanks for taking this on, but the article (and hook) has outstanding grammatical issues that must be addressed before this passes. Sentences like these need more work: Chakrapani claimed that he wanted to turn car into an ambulance but after receiving threats from D-Company, had decided to set the car on fire; he wished of utilizing the wreckage in the construction of a toilet. The lead must be rewritten in a far less POV manner—how can we call him a saint in Wikipedia's voice? All in all, a strong case for his notability has not been made; the article sounds like a shouting match between him and people who oppose him. Yoninah (talk) 21:56, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Sorry about my initial review, I missed a lot of key aspects. I've struck out my tick, I'll re-visit it in a little bit with a clear mind. Inter&anthro (talk) 23:47, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT3: ... that Swami Chakrapani proposed converting a hotel into a public toilet as it had been owned by a high ranking criminal? ~ R.T.G 23:04, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Reviewer needed to recheck article and latest ALT hooks. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:14, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg For hooks alt2 and ALT3 the source given only mentions the eatery is proposed to become a public toilet. Although a hotel will be auctioned it does not say what will happen to that. So I think we need yet another hook on the topic where mention of the hotel is omitted and eatery is there. But the hooks are interesting! I have not checked the article. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 05:46, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Harshil169, it's been over a week; we really need a response from you here, and hopefully a new hook proposal as well given the sourcing issues with including the hotel in the hooks. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:54, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
BlueMoonset, I’m pinging @Winged Blades of Godric: for this. I’ve dropped the stick. He’s handling alt hooks. Regards,— Harshil want to talk? 17:13, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 21[edit]

Articles created/expanded on October 22[edit]

Richard Nixon's visit to the Lincoln Memorial

  • Comment: So many great hooks here, the valet, corned beef hash, the signed bible, Rachmaninoff, but I've kept it simple.

Created by No Swan So Fine (talk). Self-nominated at 10:54, 25 October 2019 (UTC).

  • Comment:As written, also quotes from Dickerson, McNichol and Haldeman, all from the magazine article. Also, the exchange with Dickerson and her later comment on it had nothing to do with the visit. David notMD (talk) 05:06, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg The copyright violation concerns will need to be addressed before the nomination can proceed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 05:49, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed now that the quoting has been reduced, though that review should check to be sure the level is appropriate and also that the paraphrasing is not too close. (I just made some edits to deal with some overly close paraphrasing of quotes.) Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:58, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg @No Swan So Fine: Earwig flags the heavy quoting. I do like this article and support it going forward. --evrik (talk) 20:32, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Carla (singer)

  • ... that Carla's coach at the Voice Kids France did not want her to release an album?
    • ALT1:... that Carla's fans were disappointed with her choice to cover Disney songs?

Created/expanded by Moscow Connection (talk). Self-nominated at 23:49, 29 October 2019 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

QPQ: Red XN - Still needed.
Overall: Symbol question.svg feminist (talk) 11:38, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote ALT0, but the article doesn't give any more information than the hook. Could you add the reason why she didn't want her to release an album? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 00:04, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: It looks like she thought Carla wasn't ready. The article I used as a source says that Jenifer was strongly opposed to Carla releasing a record and that she told that to Carla. And it mentions that the day after her victory Carla said that she was "too young" and wanted to "wait a few years" before releasing an album. Should I try to find some additional info? --Moscow Connection (talk) 00:19, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Yes, thanks. Yoninah (talk) 00:30, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
  • It's not that simple, I need some time. All the outlets are citing the same interview. --Moscow Connection (talk) 07:48, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
  • @Moscow Connection: why don't you just add a sentence from the source, like: The day after her victory, Carla stated that she was "too young" and wanted to "wait a few years" before releasing an album? Yoninah (talk) 12:46, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: That's not just that. The sources talk about how fame can harm young people and explain that that is why The Voice Kids France winners don't get a recording contract, but a scholarship or scholarship money (I forgot). And there's another thing... Jenifer says "album", but she also mentions the single that Carla is planning to release and it looks like she doesn't approve. So it looks like Jenifer doesn't want Carla to release anything at all. (Actually, she seems to be ready to help Carla a bit anyway, but she doesn't approve.) And some sources (here's a good one) do say that she doesn't want her to release even a single. So I think I understood Jenifer correctly. And after saying that Jenifer is against Carla releasing a record, some sources say that Carla wants to release a single "no matter what".
    And, by the way, the single that Carla planned to release back in 2014 didn't see the light of day. There's a later interview where she explains that she couldn't find a song she liked. She also says that she likes to sing in English.
    I don't know how to put all this in the article. --Moscow Connection (talk) 18:43, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
  • @Moscow Connection: all I'm asking is that if you make a statement, follow it up with another sentence explaining or clarifying it. If the first sentence says Jenifer advised against releasing an album, the next sentence should say why, or what her thoughts were about the idea. Then a third sentence could say that nevertheless, Carla does want to release a single. We're just presenting facts; it's not up to us to interpret them. Yoninah (talk) 18:52, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
  • "What her thoughts were about the idea."
    — Okay, but I don't know how to put this... I will try now. --Moscow Connection (talk) 18:55, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
  • I will now insert all the sources I could find, and then I'll see. I think the current version is okay. I will also add a quote from Jenifer who said "album". (I don't really get why Jenifer says "album" and it is interpreted as "any record, even a single", but I think French journalists know better.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 23:57, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 30[edit]

Nocturnes (Debussy)

  • ... that the third of three Nocturnes for orchestra by Claude Debussy requires a women's chorus singing like sirens, without words? Source: several

5x expanded by Chuckstreet (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 21:43, 5 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg DYK check says 7X growth within a week of the nomination, complete rewrite as far as I can tell. Hook is ~127 chars and sourced on two different lines. Earwig says it's 78.8% likely a copyvio. This is mostly due to long quotes from the identified URL and some sections that aren't quotes but have similar word choices. I'd suggest the expander/nominator see if they can address this. Nominator took care of QPQ. I personally think the connection between Whistler and the musical work is more interesting than the chorus singing without words, but that's me. dm (talk) 17:50, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
  • You meen blocked. Yes. Did you see that Dmadeo and I have a lengthy discussion on my talk. Question is if one of us - or you? - is willing to look for the close paraphrases and fix them. I said I would but not now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:42, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Yes, blocked, for sockpuppetry. Hower I was quoting dm in this discussion, Debussy Nocturnes DYK nomination. I was trying to bring some discussion here to move this along. --evrik (talk) 21:40, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
We don't need discussion but someone to fix close paraphrasing. Will you? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:23, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 31[edit]

Melody (Spanish singer)

Melody in 2015
Melody in 2015
  • ... that Melody was rumoured to be dead?
    • ALT1:... that due to Melody's three-year disappearance from the public eye, she was rumoured to be dead?

5x expanded by Moscow Connection (talk). Self-nominated at 13:59, 7 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I started to review the article and realized that it's not at all finished. There is a lot of hidden text. Please let me know when it's ready for review. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 23:09, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
  • I'm very sorry, I will finish everything by Monday or Tuasday. --Moscow Connection (talk) 15:52, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
  • I'm working on the article right now. (Too many distractions, sorry.) The ping didn't work, btw. --Moscow Connection (talk) 00:59, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
  • @Moscow Connection: Is everything fine now? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:40, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
    • I've sourced everything that wasn't sourced, but I wanted to make a few minor changes and to remove some duplicate. Can you please wait a couple of days? I'll ping you. --01:52, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Anthony (Sevryuk)

Anthony (Sevryuk) in Kiev in 2019
Anthony (Sevryuk) in Kiev in 2019
  • ... that in his youth Sevryuk (pictured) volunteered as an altar server at the Holy Resurrection Cathedral of Tver? "Иеромонах Антоний (Севрюк): О Вечном Городе, духовном стержне и Святейшем Патриархе" [Anthony (Sevryuk): About the Eternal City, the spiritual core and the Holy Patriarch] (in Russian). 10 July 2012. Retrieved 30 October 2019.

Created by Inter&anthro (talk). Self-nominated at 03:15, 3 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Would it be possible to propose another hook? Right now, as it's written, it might not appeal to those unfamiliar with Orthodox Christianity, since it doesn't really say much about him that could easily catch attention. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:25, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
  • That's a valid concern, I'm trying to brainstorm another hook right now. The problem is that since the article is about an Orthodox bishop and most of the text in the article deals with that, it will be hard to come up with a hook that appeals to readers unfamiliar with the topic.   Inter&anthro (talk) 13:29, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
ALT1 is better, but is not exactly spectacular. Would like to hear second opinions about it, though. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:47, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
Typo. Fixed now sorry. ~ R.T.G 16:13, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg When this was proposed, it was new enough and long enough. The QPQ was done. @Narutolovehinata5: what do you think of Alt 3? --evrik (talk) 18:39, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
It sounds interesting and could possibly work as a hook (it's probably the best option at this point), but speaking as someone who's not familiar with Orthodoxy, I'm not sure if it might be too commonplace. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:43, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 5[edit]

Erza Muqoli

Created by Moscow Connection (talk). Self-nominated at 23:59, 12 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @Moscow Connection: Prose size 2796 B. I'm AGFing the foreign-language sources. I'd lean towards ALT1 because being voted no sounds a little too routine to be interesting... unless you want to rewrite that first-choice hook. Only two things needed to address: two sentences - "posted videos of her singing on the Internet" and "The entire album was written and composed by Vianney." - need inline citations attached to them. Most importantly, QPQ needed. I'd also recommend merging some one-sentence paragraphs. And yes, I'll give you time to work on the article. ミラP 00:56, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
Reading through both hooks, ALT0 has potential, but it might need additional context or clauses for the benefit of non-French readers. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:42, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
What do you mean. How would you change it? --Moscow Connection (talk) 20:05, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
By the way, Gilbert Rozon is sort of a French version of Simon Cowell. But he resigned from all his posts. See his French Wikipedia article. --Moscow Connection (talk) 20:05, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
@Miraclepine: Could you look at the article now? (I must tell you there is still a slight problem with sourcing. If you want, I will just delete the sentence for now.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 20:05, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
@Moscow Connection: I'd say remove the sentence. It's sourced to YouTube and we should not use that stuff to source stuff in BLPs. After that, you're good. ミラP 20:09, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
Done. (After the article disappears from the main page, I will try to find a better source.)
(Actually, the Républicain Lorrain article from September 2014 said that she was already a star on YouTube. It just didn't say that this was because Pascal Wéber had posted videos of her performances. So I think this minor problem could be disregarded per WP:NOTOR and WP:IAR. But, as a rule-abiding editor, I just had to point the problem out to you. And, after all, the article is going to be linked from the main page, it must be perfect.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 20:56, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
It has potential, my main concern is that Rozon may not be well-known to our non-French readers (personally I've never heard of him), so if he's going to be mentioned in a hook, I would suggest some context be added on who he is or how he's important. As for ALT2, it's really niche and again may not appeal to non-French readers. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 08:01, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
  • I have no idea who Rozon is, and it clearly didn't matter since she made the show despite the incident; it fails to meet DYK hook criterion of being interesting to a broad audience, so I have struck that hook. I think ALT2 might be workable if another fact was added to it (though it would have to be added to her article): that Kids United had three number one studio albums in a row while she was a member; the first is at this link], and the next two are linked to from that page. So here are two alternate hooks based on ALT1 and ALT2 respectively:
  • ALT3: ... that the singer Erza Muqoli was a founding member of the French child music group Kids United, which had three number one albums during her tenure?
  • ALT4: ... that the singer Erza Muqoli was a contestant on France's Got Talent and a member of the French child music group Kids United, which had three number one albums during her tenure?
I suppose "number one" could be replaced by "chart-topping", if desired. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:10, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
Follow-up: I have added the charting information to support these two hooks. Moscow Connection, there are bare URLs in footnote 9 and footnote 22 has significant formatting issues; these will need to be fixed before this nomination can be approved. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:10, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
ALTs 3 and 4 sound good. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:05, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 6[edit]

Leena Al-Hadid

Ambassador Leena Al-Hadid in 2018
Ambassador Leena Al-Hadid in 2018

Created by Droodkin (talk). Self-nominated at 10:44, 9 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Hi Droodkin, review follows: article created 6 November; article exceeds minimum length; article is sufficiently well written; article is referenced inline throughout to reliable sources; I didn't notice any overly close paraphrasing from the sources (aside from unavoidable repetition of job titles etc.); hook is reasonably interesting and mentioned in the article (I changed the article from "board of directors" to "board of governors" which I think is correct?); The ref provided backs up the claim, I have added it to the appropriate sentence in the article; image is appropriately licensed and works OK at small scale; QPQ has been carried out. Looks good to me - Dumelow (talk) 09:28, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Sorry, this really isn't hooky. Do you have another suggestion? Yoninah (talk) 18:05, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Hello, thank you for your comment. I have proposed an alternate hook. Please feel free to Wikify the countries if needed.Droodkin (talk) 08:01, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
Hi Droodkin, ALT1 is above the 200 character limit for a hook. I've also just noticed that the statement about being ambassador to "Austria, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, and Slovenia" is mentioned in the lead but not in the main body of the article and has no reference. Could you remedy this please? - Dumelow (talk) 09:00, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
Hello Dumelow, I have edited the article appropriately and referenced the line. Regarding the hook and considering the article, I think the original hook is the most interesting one I can think of.Droodkin (talk) 10:48, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Hi Droodkin, referencing now resolved. Just requesting a second opinion on ALT0 - Dumelow (talk) 09:02, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
  • If you're looking for an image slot, the hook has to be a lot hookier than just saying which job she was appointed to. I noticed you have almost no personal details about her. More detail could help to make a better hook. Yoninah (talk) 18:52, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg I tried trimming the character count. --evrik (talk) 16:48, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Hi, thank you for your edit. I support ALT1a even if it excludes the image. Droodkin (talk) 17:02, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
  • All these hooks follow the formula "Did you know that X=Y?" It is not hooky to list someone's jobs. If you could add more personal information to the page, you could come up with a real hook. Yoninah (talk) 22:42, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: I have looked for source articles on the life of Ambassador Al-Hadid, and have found little to work with. Can you live with Alt1a? --evrik (talk) 19:27, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Yes, but it won't be for the image slot. Yoninah (talk) 19:33, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Please spell out IAEA:

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Approve 1b. --evrik (talk) 20:01, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Promoted, but returned to WP:DYKN for further work. Her chairmanship ended in September. Seems to me her permanent seat at the UN is just as important. BTW, a better source is needed for her ambassadorships to the Czech Republic, Hungary, and Slovenia, and the article only calls her a "representative" to Austria. Yoninah (talk) 17:15, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 8[edit]

John Belchem

Created by Goldsztajn (talk). Self-nominated at 17:22, 8 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @Goldsztajn: Welcome to DYK! This article does not currently meet the 1500-character prose minimum (1420 right now), so it will need additional expansion. As to other items: new enough; hook is cited to source, backed up and present in article; you are exempt from reviewing another article. An inline citation is needed in the "Awards and honors" section (and that probably should be honours for our British professor). This will meet standards, even on the thin side, if 80 more prose characters are added (WP:DYKCHECK will assist you) and the one section gets its citation. Raymie (tc) 04:03, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
  • @Raymie: Thanks for the review! Character length  Done now 1602. Awards and honours (British spelling)  Done. Citations added to Awards and honours  Done. Goldsztajn (talk) 09:15, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg This article now meets the length limit and has had the other suggested changes made. It is now fit to be approved! Raymie (tc) 17:59, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but the hook makes it sound like he did it single-handedly, when he was simply part of a task force. Yoninah (talk) 22:53, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: Hi. It's not possible to *help* on one's own; helping implies another person's involvement other than the helper. However, if you're not satisfied with this, perhaps change the verb to assist, to read:
Thanks for your help :) --Goldsztajn (talk) 23:24, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
  • @Goldsztajn: thank you, that is better. But I took a look at the sources and think you're using WP:SYNTH here. One article says he's on the task force. The BBC article says the city retained its UNESCO status, but doesn't mention a task force at all. Yoninah (talk) 02:01, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
@Yoninah: I've added a reference to the 2018 State Party (ie the UK) submission to UNESCO which includes multiple mentions of the activities of the Task Force of which Belchem is a member. Regards.--Goldsztajn (talk) 10:13, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
FWIW, in case you can't find some relevant text and still perceive SYNTH: "Responding to the 2017 Committee decision, the Mayor of Liverpool appointed a Task Force. This external and independent group of experts, chaired by Sir David Henshaw, are investigating and making recommendations to the Mayor on what should be done in order to persuade the Committee to retain Liverpool on the World Heritage List. The work of the Task Force will morph itself into a Trust for the WHS and the timescale for that is ongoing. The Task Force will report to the Mayor on a regular basis, advise and influence the SOCR and DSOCR documents, processes that lead to the WHC, and matters thereafter." 2018 SOC Report by the State Party --Goldsztajn (talk) 10:39, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg @Raymie: --evrik (talk) 16:46, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Thank you for the ping, Evrik. (Also consolidated some of the signatures.) ALT2 is OK but needs a sentence. ALT3 I find kind of boring. If you can find a citation that covers the scope of his work for the first sentence, I will approve that hook. Raymie (tc) 02:20, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you mean about needing a sentence for Alt2. There are several citations that cover the breadth of his work. --evrik (talk) 16:19, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 9[edit]

Storme Webber

Created by RachelWex (talk). Nominated by Paul2520 (talk) at 05:39, 14 November 2019 (UTC).

The unsourced parts are the career section paragraph 2 & 4. Alongside Film Appearances, and Exhibits section. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 07:01, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg link foster care in hook and cite the unsourced parts. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 12:23, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback, CAPTAIN MEDUSA. I added references at the requested places & wikilinked foster care both in the hook & article. What do you think? = paul2520 (talk) 23:23, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg: Good to go. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 07:36, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but the hook seems to imply that she left her family on her own volition, whereas the article only says she entered foster care. I'd like to suggest that the hook focus more on her as a person and her accomplishments/notability. Yoninah (talk) 20:53, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback, Yoninah.
The cited source ([4]) does quote Webber, “I left home by my own choice; there was a lot of drama in my family”; do you think we should add that to the article?
ALT1 ... that Storme Webber is a two-spirit interdisciplinary artist who has been featured in four documentaries?
= paul2520 (talk) 15:25, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
  • @Paul2520: ALT1 is cute, but it doesn't really say anything about her. You could combine the mention of her being a two-spirit artist with a mention of some of the work she has done. The average reader (like me) will have no idea that she is LGBTQ by the term "two-spirit"; you could also explain what that means in your hook wording. Yoninah (talk) 00:01, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
@Yoninah: How are these?
ALT2 ... that interdisciplinary artist Storme Webber's The Casino combines archival photographs and storytelling with an art installation?
ALT3 ... that interdisciplinary artist Storme Webber's works include an ancestral mix tape, a combination of archival photographs and storytelling, and poetry?
I like the idea of adding ...two-spirit... before Storme Webber. Sure, maybe "the average reader" won't know what that means, but isn't that the point of the wikilink?
= paul2520 (talk) 02:38, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Yes, I agree. ALT2 could be improved by saying what The Casino is. ALT3 is on the way, though I would write it this way:
  • ALT3a: ... that the works of two-spirit interdisciplinary artist Storme Webber include an ancestral mix tape, which combines archival photographs, storytelling, and poetry?
  • But you have some really close paraphrasing here:
  • Source: Blues Divine, an ancestral mix tape and tribute, consists of a book of poems and accompanying soundtrack/audio book spoken in Webber's own voice.
  • Article: Blues Divine is an ancestral mix tape and tribute, which includes a poetry book accompanied by an audio book/soundtrack spoken in Webber's voice.
  • Yoninah (talk) 00:29, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
@Yoninah: I'm good with ALT3a. I also updated the article wording; can you review? = paul2520 (talk) 04:22, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT2a ... that interdisciplinary artist Storme Webber's palimpsest The Casino combines archival photographs and storytelling with an art installation to tell a family history involving one of the oldest gay bars on the West Coast?
  • ALT3b: ... that the interdisciplinary works of two-spirit artist Storme Webber include an ancestral mix tape with spoken word poetry, and a palimpsest combining archival photographs and storytelling? --evrik (talk) 16:53, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
  • {{DYKtick}} Approving Alt 3a, though I am offering 3b as a choice for the promoter. --evrik (talk) 16:53, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg@Evrik: Hooks ALT3a and ALT3b are incorrectly combining two works. There is an ancestral mix tape that combines a poetry book with an audiobook, and a museum exhibit that combines archival photographs and storytelling with an art installation to record the history of The Casino. ALT2 could work if it adds something about what the Casino was. I was planning to get to this tomorrow. Yoninah (talk) 23:54, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
  • I redid 3b to separate the works. I also took a stab at 2, though if 2a is used, the article will have to be modified to explain what the casino is. --evrik (talk) 17:11, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
@Evrik and Yoninah: the article mentions that the Casino is "one of the oldest gay bars on the West Coast", citing [5]. = paul2520 (talk) 20:02, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

  • Since "palimpsest" is the name of the exhibit, I don't understand why it's being used this way in the hooks. I suggest this alt:
  • @Paul2520: I would like to link The Casino, but it is redirecting to Double Header, and no mention is made of The Casino in the latter article. Yoninah (talk) 20:41, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Yoninah, two of the four refs in that article mention The Casino as the night club in Double Header's basement. That article needs some expansion. I can do so, and possibly enough to include in the DYK? Can we tack it on as a nom, assuming I get it to reach the criteria? I'm thinking 5x expansion is totally doable... = paul2520 (talk) 21:08, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: Correct, but two of the four refs do & the article could easily be expanded. I could possibly do so tonight or this weekend. = paul2520 (talk) 21:20, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
  • @Paul2520: I think that's a great idea for a double hook. Go for it! Yoninah (talk) 21:22, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

  • evrik I started to work on this earlier. See User:Paul2520/sandbox. I realized quickly they were different bars, so a different article, rather than a redirect, should be created. We can collaborate, but I'm happy to put more time in it myself. = paul2520 (talk) 05:49, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
  • As an aside, yes we can collaborate. --evrik (talk) 16:12, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Anyone want to review the current nominated hooks? --evrik (talk) 16:12, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
@Evrik: Yoninah has reviewed. Let's hold off on getting another reviewer; I'm working on getting the The Casino (Seattle) up to the criteria so it can be included in the hook. = paul2520 (talk) 17:27, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Go for the single and get a second DYK with the Casino. --evrik (talk) 19:48, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
  • @Evrik: If The Casino is part of the hook, why not go for a double hook? Yoninah (talk) 16:41, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
@Yoninah: The Casino (Seattle) is now over the minimum prose size, and I believe it meets the rest of the DYK requirements. What's the next step? Can you review as part of this nom, or do I need to go through the regular DYK process for it? I would then modify the hook to be:
ALT2c: ... that two-spirit artist Storme Webber used several mediums to retell her family's experience at The Casino, one of the oldest gay bars on the West Coast?
Let me know what you think. = paul2520 (talk) 05:57, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 12[edit]


Toe box of a ballet shoe
Toe box of a ballet shoe
  • Comment: Still working on this, as there is a huge body of medical lit to plow through and some historical/ fashion stuff. I've run out of my week deadline on nomination, but have a pile of notes and intend to edit this article substantially before it goes up. Hopefully I will also come up with a better hook.

Created by HLHJ (talk). Self-nominated at 01:49, 20 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol delete vote.svg Article is was created eight days ago. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 21:47, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Flunking an article that was nominated less than two hours later that it ought to have been seems unnecessarily harsh to me. A little leniency is a good thing, especially given the work that has gone into the article, and how close to the deadline the nomination was. I should point out to HLHJ that a QPQ review will be needed if the review is to progress, and the hook needs to have a bold link to the nominated article. BlueMoonset (talk) 07:42, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
  • I agree with BlueMoonset. --evrik (talk) 20:54, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 12:18, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

  • Working on it... apologies for the delay. HLHJ (talk) 07:16, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
  • evrik ...hmmm how does one donate a "QPQ". Can you please elaborate? ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 13:15, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 13[edit]

Semisimple representation

  • Reviewed: Exempt - 4 DYKs

Created by TakuyaMurata (talk) and MarkH21 (talk). Nominated by MarkH21 (talk) at 12:46, 15 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Comment (not a review): Don't the hidden-by-default proofs violate MOS:DONTHIDE "Collapsible templates should not conceal article content by default upon page loading"? —David Eppstein (talk) 02:03, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
    • Ah, you’re right. Fixed and un-autocollapsed. — MarkH21 (talk) 02:11, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
      • More not-really-reviewing: the entire "Examples and non-examples" section is unsourced. According to the DYK rules, every paragraph that is not merely a summary of later material (or plot summary of fiction) needs a source. —David Eppstein (talk) 01:41, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
        • Pinging TakuyaMurata, did you have a source that we can cite for the non-example that you added? — MarkH21 (talk) 03:04, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
          • I have added a few (not saying "enough"). -- Taku (talk) 23:40, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 14[edit]


The Kōrankei valley in 2007
The Kōrankei valley in 2007

Created by Roniius (talk). Self-nominated at 03:01, 19 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article is new enough, long enough, but not well written. Multiple paragraphs need citations (I've added cn tags in the article), the "toponymy" section does not make much sense, and the article reads like a tourist brochure, with no coverage of the town's demographics and economy, essential information for any article about a settlement. Makes me wonder whether the article is about a town or a tourist site. -Zanhe (talk) 07:44, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg @Roniius: have you addressed the concerns? --evrik (talk) 20:56, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
    @Evrik: I have tried to address the concerns on the Toponymy section, but I cannot find any sources on its demographics or economy. Roniius (talk) 00:22, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
    @Roniius: The article has been cleaned up and reorganized. Please find citations for the two flagged sentences. --evrik (talk) 16:57, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 15[edit]

Ronald Grossarth-Maticek

5x expanded by Piotrus (talk) and Sciencia58 (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 09:45, 19 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New enough, long enough. The lede needs to be developed. If there is a controversy, what is it? The prose here is rather bland. Please propose some new hooks. --evrik (talk) 21:10, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
  • (@Evrik: I've added a sentence about controversy to the lead. I am not sure how to develop it further either there or here due to BLP/UNDUE issues. I think the hook is good. If you think it is bland, please suggest more 'interesting' ones, bearing in mind BLP and length limits here. I tried and I failed to come up with anything better. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here
  • (@Evrik: Of course but the explanation (already present in the body of the article) would take the hook over the DYK length size. And there is also the issue that the subject is filing a legal action for defamation or such, so if our hook is a bit too biased they could complain about us too. Short and simple seems the right way here. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:46, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
  • I read the entire article as part of my review. Humor me and write a hook that goes over the length limit. --evrik (talk) 15:52, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 16[edit]

Gott, der du warst und bist und bleibst

Church of Sankt Georgen in 2014
Church of Sankt Georgen in 2014

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 10:24, 23 November 2019 (UTC).

  • New enough, long enough. Cited. QPQ? --evrik (talk) 21:16, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Thank you for the ALT, yes a translation would be nice, but I have my problems with "bleibst", more literally "stay", "remain", - made me hesitate. St. Georgen sounds pretty much like just a church's name, while it is (the rather famous) seminary's, a place of education - I think that should show somehow. Will do qpq next. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:25, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg I feel like a translation helps the hook. Google translate says, "God, who was and is, and will remain." --evrik (talk) 21:57, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
I said that "remain" is more literal, but "warst" and "bist" are all of "sein" (to be), so we can - with some freedom - allude to "and ever shall be". - Little problem someone may have with the translation: not sourced, just what you and I translate. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:06, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: will you agree to 1a so we can move on? --evrik (talk) 20:42, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
I don't have to agree. We need a reviewer, for the original and/or ALT1. I prefer the original: less religion for the Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Well, we need ANOTHER reviewer. I was going to give this a pass, but your first hook is less than optimal. --evrik (talk) 19:47, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg needs a symbol --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:26, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 17[edit]

Caldera International

Converted from a redirect by Wasted Time R (talk) and Matthiaspaul (talk). Nominated by Wasted Time R (talk) at 14:31, 24 November 2019 (UTC).

Kohinata Hakurō

  • ... that Kohinata Hakurō was a Japanese bandit and master of Taoist martial arts, known as the "Gun Against Evil – Little White Dragon"? Source: Junji Kasao, "中国拳法伝 - 新たなる拳法史観のために" (new edition), 2000.
    • ALT1:... that Kohinata Hakurō was captured and recruited by a bandit gang on his way to Ulan Bator, which he ended up becoming the leader of? Kohinata Hakurō and Kondō Shōzō, "馬賊王小白竜父子二代 ある残留孤児の絶筆秘録", 2005.

Created by Roniius (talk). Self-nominated at 03:15, 19 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Interesting article. Article is new enough (created on 17 November). Long enough (3571). However there are large sections of uncited content such as the 1st paragraph in "early life", last sentence of 2nd paragraph of "Northern Chinese bandit", and 2nd paragraph of "Military activities. This will need to be sorted before I can proceed with the rest of the review. Cowlibob (talk) 22:10, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
@Roniius: Courtesy ping for the nominator to return to this nomination. Cowlibob (talk) 12:46, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
@Cowlibob: I have addressed the reference problem. Roniius (talk) 01:28, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
@Roniius: Thanks for adding the refs. However the last three sentences in the popular culture section are unreferenced. Also what does horse criminal mean? Do you mean that he stole horses or that he was a bandit who rode horses when he was stealing?Cowlibob (talk) 17:19, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
@Cowlibob: Hi - Horse Criminal is a bad translation I made of Chinese mazei, which is commonly translated in English historical communities as Mounted Bandit. I will find references for the popular culture section.

Articles created/expanded on November 18[edit]

Bach Digital

  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: for Christmas, 25 December, please - ALT4 - not for Christmas - is better. I initially gave Francis Schonken make credit, but he removed himself. He'd deserve it, though. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:24, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 00:05, 26 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Hook content: hook fact is not accurate, the hook speaks about "most viewed work", the reference speaks about "häufigsten im Internet besuchten digitalisierten Bach-Quellen". Work refers to Bach Digital#Work pages; Quelle refers to Bach Digital#Source pages. --Francis Schonken (talk) 03:51, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Also digital librarydatabase portal (afaik there's no reference for the first description, there is for the second, see first reference in infobox) --Francis Schonken (talk) 04:09, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Also "... of composition manuscripts ..." – I'd rather write "... featuring manuscripts of compositions ..." or something in that vein. --Francis Schonken (talk) 04:09, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Also "... by Bach's and his family ..." typo; personally I'd rather write "... by members of the Bach family ..." as it is in the caption of the infobox image. --Francis Schonken (talk) 04:09, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
  • "... Christmas Oratorio ..." is a WP:EGG link, it should be "... Christmas Oratorio ..." – I understand Gerda wants to promote "her" article on the first cantata of the oratorio, but a WP:EGG link in a DYK on the main page is not the way to do that. --Francis Schonken (talk) 05:31, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Image caption proposed for the DYK: reads very awkward, and is incorrect. The first page of Bach's manuscript of Jauchzet, frohlocket! BWV 248 I would be the "cover" of Bach Digital Source 2451 – the picture is the start of the music in Bach's autograph score (of the entire oratorio), found at Bach Digital Source 850 (BTW, this seems to be the "Quelle"/Source mentioned in the German reference article). The image caption should rather read something like this: "Johann Sebastian Bach's autograph score of the Christmas Oratorio". --Francis Schonken (talk) 05:31, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
Starting at the end: the caption is too long for the Main page, we need to abbreviate, I tried differently - I don't want to promote the article because I wrote it, but because it's a GA (higher quality) and contains the image. I tried that in Christmas Oratorio, but it didn't stay.
ALT1: ... that a survey of Bach Digital, a digital portal featuring manuscripts of compositions by the Bach family, found that in December 2016 the most viewed source was the Christmas Oratorio (beginning pictured)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:43, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
Bach's Christmas Oratorio (autograph)
Bach's Christmas Oratorio (autograph)
Maybe this image caption can work →
The WP:EGG link is still a no-no IMHO: I'd rather have no DYK than one with such EGG link. The defence for such absurdity didn't convince me. So, rewrite or no DYK as far as I'm concerned. --Francis Schonken (talk) 08:56, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
Francis, you probably won't argue about Jauchzet, frohlocket being the beginning of the Christmas Oratorio. Perhaps someone with too much time (on Christmas Day or before) will notice that Christmas Oratorio doesn't use a single Bach Digital reference while Jauchzet, frohlocket! uses several, and perhaps fix that, and perhaps more of that article. Trying to please you:
ALT2: ... that a survey of Bach Digital, a digital portal featuring manuscripts of compositions by the Bach family, found that in December 2016 the most viewed source was the Christmas Oratorio (beginning pictured)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:14, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, still the same, for me non-negotiable, problem: moving the WP:EGG link to the image is, let's say, "creative", but no less of a no-no. In other words: never, & please stop trying the WP:EGG trick. let's combine a slightly updated version of the text of ALT2, and a variant of the image caption I proposed above:

Autograph of Bach's Christmas Oratorio
Autograph of Bach's Christmas Oratorio
ALT3: ... that a survey of Bach Digital, a portal website featuring manuscripts of compositions by the Bach family, found that the Christmas Oratorio (beginning pictured) was the most viewed item in December 2016?

--Francis Schonken (talk) 16:41, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

ALT3, and previous image (caption) proposals, withdrawn, in favour of ALT4 below, for reasons explained extensively in what follows. --Francis Schonken (talk) 08:47, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
To link Jauchzet, frohlocket! to the cantata of the same name is no Easter egg, and to supply a link to the same substandard article twice is not in the interest of our readers, imho. I tried to say something for Christmas which isn't too Christmassy, but we can also word a hook about Bach Digital that has nothing to do with Christmas. The picture slot will most likely be given to Johnbod's Christmas card anyway, - we have traditions. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:01, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
I reviewed now Template:Did you know nominations/Eleanor Vadala. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:28, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
Re. "to supply a link to the same substandard article twice" – you're speaking in riddles, afaics neither ALT2 nor ALT3 link twice to the same article. On the other hand, ALT2 doesn't even link to the Wikipedia article on the composer of the Christmas Oratorio, which is another rather surprising fault of it.
The reference article ("Weihnachtsoratorium beliebteste Bach-Handschrift im Internet") speaks about "Weihnachtsoratorium" (Christmas Oratorio) and "Die sechs Kantaten des »Weihnachts-Oratoriums«" (The six cantatas of the »Christmas Oratorio« – my emphasis), not about the "first cantata of the Christmas Oratorio", as long as you try to link "the work of which the manuscript was most often visited on the web in December 2016", on which we have an article, to the Wikipedia article on "Part I of the Christmas Oratorio" instead, that is EGG linking. Jauchzet, frohlocket! is the incipit of the Oratorio as well as of its first cantata: the DYK proposal mentions the Oratorio, not its first cantata, thus neither image caption nor DYK text should link to the article on the first cantata, but to the article on the Oratorio. I can only conclude that you don't seem to grasp WP:EGG. I cleaned up the intro of the Bach cantata article recently, where I encountered a few EGG links (church cantata instead of church cantata; chorale cantata instead of chorale cantata), no need to ask who put them there I suppose? For the umtieth time, familiarize yourself with the diverse aspects of Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking, including, but not limited to, MOS:LINKCLARITY and WP:EGG. Not so long ago you came complaining to my talk page that I applied MOS:LINKCLARITY correctly (sic)! It is about time, for the seasoned editor you are, that you adapt your editing style to established practice. You make your fellow-editors lose time and energy for something that is not acceptable, not only trying it once, or twice, or ten times, but trying it uncountable times (I include the times when I cleaned up your EGG links to "structure" articles where they should have plainly linked to the article on the composition), and then, when you are corrected, come back multiple times (on this page already three times for the same EGG) trying to have the unacceptable thing passed nonetheless. The answer is "no", and that is final as far as I'm concerned. Please stop coming back again with the same in yet another variation. Get acquainted with the applicable guidance and apply it henceforward, period.
Maybe best this DYK gets rejected, if this coming back with yet another variation of an unacceptable EGG doesn't stop. Enough time lost on this non-starter. --Francis Schonken (talk) 19:03, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
Francis, do you expect anybody, such as a potential reviewer (or me), to read the wall of text? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:05, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
Reviewer, all you have to look at is ALT3. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:07, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: please read the wall of text (and the Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking which is quite somewhat longer than the three paragraphs above), so that I never, ever again have to be confronted with your WP:EGG links. Thanks.
Reviewer, please reject this DYK proposal, I have quite enough of Gerda making others loose time. --Francis Schonken (talk) 23:58, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
Just passing by. How about ALT3 with a caption reading "First page of Bach's Christmas Oratorio manuscript, the cantata Jauchzet, frohlocket!"? Jmar67 (talk) 07:42, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
(ec) Francis, I assume in good faith that you are simply not familiar enough with DYK. I removed one of the image suggestions - which as explained will probably not even appear - for less confusion. Francis, while piped links should (of course) be as close to the target as possible in articles, DYK-hooks are a different story. On the Main page now ... that in Der Ring in Minden, the orchestra played at the back of the stage,
and the singers all turned towards it to listen to the music at the end? - with two links piped for brevity, less German, and approach to a general reader.
J, thank you for the offer, but that image caption is too long, and - again- this hok is not likely to get to the image slot. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:52, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Re. "On the Main page now ... that in Der Ring in Minden, the orchestra played at the back of the stage,... and the singers all turned towards it to listen to the music at the end?" – neither are WP:EGG links. Please familiarize yourself with the actual Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking guideline, and stop promoting idiocycracies in contravention of that guidance in true WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT style.
If the image isn't going to be used, meaning that the image caption containing the Bach link would not appear joined to the DYK text, that's one more reason to abandon this DYK, and every ALT proposed thus far.
Re. "I assume ... that you are simply not familiar enough with DYK" – please stop your attempts at insult, I'm familiar enough with DYK, thank you. --Francis Schonken (talk) 09:43, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

For clarity: I just had a look at Template:Did you know nominations/Der Ring in Minden: it took endless discussion, and more than 10 ALT proposals before the WP:EGG link of the original proposal (a symphony orchestra, my emphasis – indefinite article refers to no context) was changed to a non-EGG link (the orchestra, my emphasis – definite article refers to the context of the DYK text). @Gerda Arendt: please familiarize yourself with the guidance at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking, thanks.
This rather begs the question how familiar Gerda is with DYK "traditions": WP:EGG links are routinely rejected in DYK proceedings, as Gerda knows very well, why then does she continue to propose them in WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT style? --Francis Schonken (talk) 10:09, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

The image is the attention getter here. Without it the hook would be less interesting. Another caption idea: "Bach's Christmas Oratorio manuscript". The term "autograph" is irritating, albeit correct, because of the common connotation as a signature (Unterschrift, Autogramm). Jmar67 (talk) 13:14, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
(ec) I already proposed (above) "Bach's Christmas Oratorio (autograph)" as image caption
The last image caption I proposed (above) is "Autograph of Bach's Christmas Oratorio"
Then I said (above) that I'd think an absent image caption, i.e. failing to deliver the "Bach" link somewhere near the DYK text, would be unacceptable.
So, in what universe would one see "Bach's Christmas Oratorio manuscript" as an improvement? Thanks for the suggestion, but doesn't help much, also, as Gerda already said, repeatedly, that there's quite likely not going to be an image (so also not an image caption). I keep with my suggestion to end the DYK request, no more time sink please. --Francis Schonken (talk) 13:40, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
Re. "manuscript" instead of "autograph": there are seven manuscripts which qualify as "Bach's Christmas Oratorio manuscript", see Bach Digital Work page 0314 – there are eight documents marked as "original source" ("original source" meaning that it is a document which Bach is known to have prepared for his own use), the last of these, Bach Digital Source 25367 is however a print, so not a manuscript. Leaves seven "Bach's Christmas Oratorio manuscript"s. The German article used as reference for the DYK hook proposals thus far says "Bach-Handschrift" (i.e. lit. "Bach-handwriting", "manuscript in Bach's hand"), for which only one of Bach's seven extant manuscripts of the Christmas Oratorio qualifies, that is the autograph manuscript, RISM No. 467003200 (=Bach Digital Source 850; =D-B Mus.ms. Bach P 32). That's the one in the image proposed for the Main Page DYK. The other six manuscripts of Bach's Christmas Oratorio are only partial autographs. So, no, "manuscript" is confusing in this context: at least lacks the precision expected from an encyclopedia (and certainly its main page). So, get over it: "autograph" is the correct term, and for those not acquainted with that meaning of the word (which is nonetheless in every dictionary, even the simplest one), there's a link to the autograph (manuscript) article. Again, I think it best to have no DYK, rather than a sloppy one which fails to name things by their correct name, links confusingly, and whatnot that has already been proposed thus far in this DYK. --Francis Schonken (talk) 07:58, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
Thank you. Still confusing to me at the moment. Jmar67 (talk) 11:50, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
Also, the hook could conceivably run any day from 25 December to 6 January. Jmar67 (talk) 13:29, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
True, but that's not what is being proposed. Gerda could take up that suggestion if she still thinks the Bach Digital article is worth a DYK. I've come to see it primarily as a time sink, which I would like to see stopped. --Francis Schonken (talk) 13:40, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Proposing a new ALT for the Bach Digital DYK: no image (only causes confusion, see above), not bound to Christmas Day (also problematic, see above), or even the Christmas period, no problematic links (see above), nor foreign-language titles or extraneous terminology (see above), and different content & source for the DYK hook (this time the source is in English, also an advantage to avoid confusion):

ALT4: ... according to academic Yo Tomita, the Bach Digital portal website has largely replaced printed reference works as first point of entry for Bach-scholarship? Source: Tomita, Yo (2016). "Locating sources". In Leaver, Robin A. (ed.). The Routledge Research Companion to Johann Sebastian Bach. Taylor & Francis. pp. 49–51. ISBN 9781315452807.

--Francis Schonken (talk) 08:55, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Lovely, thank you Francis. I tried to get this for Christmas, because there are usually only few, and the few about hymns and such. A digital website would have been a nice change. I'll write about about another hymn then. Yesterday, I listened to Jauchzet, frohlocket!, and the background of every single page was the upper half of the iconic image. I recommend to find some other image for ALT4, just because it's more attractive. I rarely nominate without an image to attracts a revewer, knowing that in 7 of 8 cases it will not be taken. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:19, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
Re. "other image": don't think this very well possible: whatever manuscript image is not a very apt illustration (these manuscripts can be found elsewhere, see "websites of libraries" below, and e.g. also IMSLP now often showing such manuscript facsimiles in a resolution many times higher than a DYK image can do). A screen shot of the website (if this could be done without copyright issues) would even be more absurd, while the detailed info (which makes the Bach Digital website specific) would of course be unreadable on a thumbnail image. A photograph of Uwe Wolf might be possible, but none seems available, and would probably need a large caption to connect it to the ALT4 hook. If this fails to attract a reviewer: it is no top priority of mine to get this on Wikipedia's Main Page. Neither is "credit" (as you suggested above) much of a priority to me: what is, is trying to avoid half-boiled info which is no credit to the encyclopedia appearing on Main Page. --Francis Schonken (talk) 08:18, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
The reference does not say that (?). It cites BD as an example of an online database. And it is not particularly surprising that an online search is a first point of entry. Also, I would not hyphenate "Bach-scholarship". Jmar67 (talk) 11:31, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
The clue is further down the page: "They [=Bach Digital and its predecessor since 2008 merged into Bach Digital] have become the preferred initial source reference tool for most Bach scholars." ("... have become ..." contrasting with the opening sentence of the section "The usual starting point for Bach scholars has been to consult [printed sources X, Y an Z (a few mentioned in footnote 4)]". --Francis Schonken (talk) 11:54, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
"They" refers to "online databases", not BD. Jmar67 (talk) 12:07, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
Yes, "online databases" which "... allow filtering by scribe, approximate date of copying, Bach's compositions contained in the source, ..." and "... also offer high-resolution color scans of Bach's original manuscripts held in public libraries in Germany", which only applies to www.bachdigital.de and www.bach.gwdg.de – the second being the (former) Göttinger Catalogue which is now fully merged into Bach Digital. So, indeed Bach Digital, and nothing else, for the "first point of entry" for most Bach-scholarship. Further on in the same section Tomita mentions:
  • websites of libraries (Berlin State Library, Bavarian State Library and SLUB Dresden), which indeed have high-resolution scans (only of what is in their own library though), but no search facilities allowing to "filter by scribe", etc... – Bach Digital is a portal (with such filtering by scribe etc) giving access to scans made available by such other libraries (and to such scans of what is in the Bach Archive itself).
  • RISM, which has neither scans, nor allows much detailed filtering
Tomita does not mention his own web-database (Bach Bibliography) which does, however, not deal with manuscripts or scribes, nor with scans.
I stand by my ALT4 hook, it summarizes correctly material found in Tomita's "Locating sources" section of the Research Companion book. --Francis Schonken (talk) 21:31, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
Tomita may indeed believe ALT4 but he does not state it that way. My suggestion at the moment would be:
ALT5: ... that academic Yo Tomita cites the advantages of the Bach Digital portal website over printed reference works as the first point of entry for Bach scholarship.
Jmar67 (talk) 07:35, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, but this fails the WP:NPOV policy (and should for this reason never appear on main page or elsewhere in Wikipedia): Tomita also cites disadvantages ("... the amount of detail available in online databases is limited ..." etc). Also "... the advantages ..." (my emphasis), as if the advantages cited by Tomita are the only ones in existence, is a WP:NPOV no-no. A DYK hook in the sense "... Yo Tomita cites advantages and disadvantages of ..." falls flat, and is hardly an interesting DYK imho: the interesting point is imho the increased usage (i.e. what happens in reality, as opposed to possibly merely theoretical advantages and disadvantages), in scholarship, of the Bach Digital web resource, which more or less marginalises printed sources as first point of entry. But again, I'm spending too much time on a DYK I think neither essential, nor a big asset to Wikipedia. --Francis Schonken (talk) 08:18, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
What I would think an interesting DYK for Wikipedia's Main Page is, for instance, something like "... that autograph not only means a collectible signature of a celebrity, but also a manuscript written by the author of its content?", but current DYK rules are incompatible with that kind of DYK hook: these rules are rather about giving credit to individual editors than to the Wikipedia encyclopedia as a whole – so be it. --Francis Schonken (talk) 08:56, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
Template:Did you know nominations/Autograph (manuscript) - we will see. If it doesn't work, you could find a hook for Bach Digital mentioning autograph (linked), and you will be pleasantly surprised how many views the article will get even when not bold. DYK is not about editor credit, and to say so discredits the efforts of people busy in the project to educate. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:20, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Date Junnosuke

Created by Roniius (talk). Self-nominated at 02:41, 19 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg New enough, and long enough. The hooks need rewording. The prose in the article itself is somewhat clunky. While it is referenced, I have to assume good faith on what those references actually say. --evrik (talk) 01:08, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 19[edit]

John Moutoussamy

JPC headquarters, Chicago, 1973
JPC headquarters, Chicago, 1973
  • ... that John Moutoussamy designed the only downtown Chicago high-rise building (pictured) by an African-American, with "colorful walls and psychedelic carpets"? Source: "One of Moutoussamy's most high-profile commissions was the headquarters for black publishing titan John H. Johnson’s growing media empire, which included Ebony and Jet magazines. Inside the stone-clad structure, colorful walls and psychedelic carpets exuded energy, celebrating black culture and commerce. Today, it remains the only downtown Chicago tower designed by an African American." ([8])
  • Reviewed: not yet done

Created by Edwardx (talk). Self-nominated at 23:38, 26 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg This article is new enough and long enough. The image is in the public domain, the hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues. A QPQ is needed, and can you do something about the ISSN errors mentioned in the reference section. What does "Ebony and Jet signage" mean? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:27, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
  • @Cwmhiraeth: Signs for the magazines that were headquartered in the building. Raymie (tc) 22:04, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

Kiuchi Kyō

  • ... that Kiuchi Kyō was the first Japanese woman to be a school principal? Source: "昭和6年東京の志村第一小学校校長となり,全国初の女性校長として女子教員の地位向上につくす。/In 1931, she became the principal of Shimura Daiichi Elementary School in Tokyo, and as the first female principal in the country, she worked to improve the status of female teachers." ([9])

Created by Miraclepine (talk). Self-nominated at 21:34, 19 November 2019 (UTC).

  • This is mostly a drive-by comment for now, but while I like the hook, there have been objections recently on WT:DYK regarding a large number of "first X" hooks being proposed. If it is feasible, would it be okay for you to add an additional interesting fact to the hook as well? For example, something like "... that Kiuchi Kyō, who was the first Japanese woman to be a school principal...". I'd be fine with the original hook, I'm just worried that there could be objections raised later on, so this is just so that there's a backup option. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:40, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
I'll cut down some words if it looks too wordy. ミラP 23:55, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
That sounds okay. I'm considering reviewing this too, but I'm busy with real life right now, so if I won't be able to review this soon, I'm inviting another editor to give this a look too. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:58, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT2: ... that Kiuchi Kyō, the first Japanese woman to be a school principal, worked to improve the status of female teachers? Source: "昭和6年東京の志村第一小学校校長となり,全国初の女性校長として女子教員の地位向上につくす。/In 1931, she became the principal of Shimura Daiichi Elementary School in Tokyo, and as the first female principal in the country, she worked to improve the status of female teachers." ([10]) Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 00:17, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
@Mary Mark Ockerbloom: ALT2 sounds good, but it still needs a review. ミラP 15:04, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:50, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 20[edit]

Dein Lob, Herr, ruft der Himmel aus

  • Reviewed: Deep biosphere
  • Comment: It's a spirit of praise and thanks suitable for Thanksgiving 28 November if such a thing is wanted, - sorry I was busy, no problem any other day. Cute that an astronomer writes about the sky shouting in praise, but I can't word that. Help?

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 21:34, 24 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Reviewing: Nominated and created in time and big enough. It is referenced and there is no copyright infringement detected. Hook is short enough. A QPQ review was done, but was a bit minimal in statements of compliance. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 07:33, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for reviewing. When I find things wrong in a reviewed article, I can be quite lengthy, but here, things were fine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:32, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Continuing about the hook: Did Albert Curtz actually write the hymn called Dein Lob, Herr, ruft der Himmel aus? The page says he wrote a hymn but does not give a name, and says the song was written in 1930s. So I am confused. We missed the American Thanksgiving holiday. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 09:41, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
Well, the most official source says "Adolf Lohmann nach Albert Curtz, 1659 nach Ps 19", so not even giving a year for Lohmann but Curtz. I'd like to see a source saying what exactly Curtz wrote and what Lohmann modified or not, but haven't found one. We could drop the astronomer part altogether but I think it's a cute thing to say. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
I found this but don't read French. Also this, song title used as title for an event of church music. It seems that Lohmann did no more than adapting the older language, but I couldn't find a source saying that explicitly. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:04, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
Well that France page seems to confirm. However it cites Wikipedia for a source, so we have WP:Circular in operation. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:56, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
Graeme Bartlett, where does this review stand? There still isn't an icon, which would seem to indicate that you're not done checking all the criteria. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:53, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg I am still awaiting either a reference that supports the hook, or a new hook. The French reference lifted its information off another Wikipedia article, so it is an unsuitable circular reference. I add the template to show it is still awaiting nominator improvements. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 07:12, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
Sorry, I was busy elsewhere. This also mentions Curtz as the author. This does not even mention Lohmann. Carus the same. The official version (Gotteslob) is Lohmann after Curtz after Psalm 19, and others - Wikipedia or else - make of that what they want. Regarding ALT1: I don't think that in this case the translation helps much, because people know Psalm 19, or look it up, or perhaps won't care. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:52, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

  • Symbol question.svg In relation to alt 1 the article says that Adolf Lohmann wrote Dein Lob, Herr, ruft der Himmel aus. Albert Curtz wrote something, but we don't know from the article what it was called, or even if it was in German. (perhaps it was Latin) Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:05, 13 December 2019 (UTC)


  • ... that Shanqi, a Manchu prince, worked with the Japanese and his daughter, Yoshiko Kawashima, to create an independent state in Manchuria in 1912? Source: Rhoads, Edward J. M. (2000). Manchus & Han: Ethnic Relations and Political Power in Late Qing and Early Republican China, 1861–1928. Seattle, London: University of Washington Press. p. 235.
    • ALT1:... that Shanqi, a prince of the Qing dynasty, tried twice to create an independent Manchu state? Source: Rhoads, Edward J. M. (2000). Manchus & Han: Ethnic Relations and Political Power in Late Qing and Early Republican China, 1861–1928. Seattle, London: University of Washington Press. p. 235.
    • ALT2:... that Shanqi, a prince of the Qing dynasty, is regarded as one of the founders of the modern Chinese police system? Source: Liu, Xiaomeng. Full Book of the Aisin-Gioro Clan - Full Family History, Jilin People's Press, 1997.

Created by Roniius (talk). Self-nominated at 06:26, 20 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is big enough and new enough. No copyright infringement detected. the 14th daughter is called " Jin Bihui" and also "Yoshiko Kawashima" causing confusion. This need to be explained more clearly, as I expect that it is correct. However a more serious problem is a lack of references on the first and last paragraph of the "Life" section, and none at all in the "Family" section. Original hook is in the article and has references. It is short enough, but is awkwardly worded -- perhaps swap Japanese and his daughter. Hook alt1 is not really in the article as the article does no mention if or how he was involved in a Manchu state. This will need clarification. Hook alt2 is in the article, and has a reference. AGF it is OK. It is short enough and interesting. Nominator has only done 4 nominations for DYK so far, so no QPQ is needed. There is no image suggested, although one is available, but its age is unclear, but probably pre 1922. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 07:05, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
  • @Graeme Bartlett: I have tried to explain the problem with Yoshiko Kawashima/Jin Bihui. I have also added references to the places that were missing it. As for wording, I have not addressed that concern. Hook alt1 is mentioned in the second to last paragraph of the Life section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roniius (talkcontribs) 19:50, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
  • @Graeme Bartlett: look now. --evrik (talk) 21:25, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 22[edit]

Maryam Shanechi

Created by Achaea (talk). Self-nominated at 14:13, 25 November 2019 (UTC).

QPQ: Red XN - Not done
Overall: Symbol question.svg In my view either hook is good enough to run, though I slightly favor ALT0 and suppose it is the default choice with both hooks roughly equally good. Only awaiting completion of QPQ. —BLZ · talk 01:05, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

  • @Brandt Luke Zorn: Thanks for the comment, sorry it took me a while, but have now done the QPQ. Achaea (talk) 09:04, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

R. W. Buzzard

The Lewis County Courthouse
The Lewis County Courthouse
  • ... that, while Judge R. W. Buzzard has been criticized for drinking in his chambers and carrying a loaded gun in the Lewis County Courthouse (pictured), he also also personally intervened in fistfights in his courtroom and engaged in foot pursuit of fleeing suspects?
  • Reviewed: Forthcoming

Created by Chetsford (talk). Self-nominated at 23:29, 22 November 2019 (UTC).

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - Your current hook is over the limit of 200 characters.

Overall: Symbol question.svg The hook might focus more closely on the chase, which is the most interesting aspect of this case. I'm not sure that the image is adding that much to the hook, but I guess that's for the promoter to decide. buidhe 23:28, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, this is way too long (current hook stands at around 260 characters). This hook is trying to say four things and include details about each of these four things. Would any of these be palatable? epicgenius (talk) 21:47, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
ALT1 ... that Judge R. W. Buzzard has been criticized for drinking in his chambers and carrying a loaded gun in the courthouse, but has also personally intervened in fistfights and pursued fleeing suspects?
ALT2 ... that Judge R. W. Buzzard has been criticized for drinking and carrying a loaded gun on the job, but has also personally intervened in fistfights in his courtroom and pursued fleeing suspects on foot?
ALT3 ... that Judge R. W. Buzzard has been criticized for drinking and carrying a loaded gun on the job, but has also personally intervened in fistfights and pursued fleeing suspects?

Robert Burns (Stevenson)

Statue of Robert Burns
Statue of Robert Burns
  • ... that US General Arthur MacArthur gave an address at the unveiling of a monument (pictured) to Scottish poet Robert Burns, in Milwaukee, Wisconsin? Source: [11] Top of page 155, text reads "General Arthur MacArthur delivered an address on Scottish characteristics and poetry."

5x expanded by WIScotusjsmke (talk). Nominated by Freekee (talk) at 04:50, 29 November 2019 (UTC).

Symbol possible vote.svg "Milwaukee Wisconsin" in the hook should have a comma and at least one link, and the article needs a copyedit; I'll try to do this. Ham II (talk) 22:10, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
Added the comma after "Milwaukee"; however, there is no requirement that a well-known location be linked in a hook, where we try to minimize unnecessary links to avoid distracting from the nominated article. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:32, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 23[edit]

Lotus throne

Guanyin from Japan
Guanyin from Japan
  • ... that around 200 CE the Indian monk Nagarjuna exhorted a king to make "Images of Buddha with fine proportions/ Well designed and sitting on lotuses"? Source: quoted here, Date conclusion on pp. 86-87

Created by Johnbod (talk). Self-nominated at 14:22, 30 November 2019 (UTC).

Byblos figurines, Temple of the Obelisks, Temple of Baalat Gebal

Byblos figures at the National Museum of Beirut
Byblos figures at the National Museum of Beirut
  • Reviewed: to come

Created by Onceinawhile (talk). Self-nominated at 00:24, 28 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Interesting hook and nice, freely licensed image, which would be perfect for the image slot. Unfortunately, all three articles are too short and seem unfinished, and three QPQs are needed. Significance expansion is needed before this can be approved. -Zanhe (talk) 06:28, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
OK, thank you. I am on it. Onceinawhile (talk) 11:17, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
Great, please ping me when they're ready for re-review. -Zanhe (talk) 09:45, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Cognitive inertia

  • ... that cognitive inertia plays a role in why a lack of ideas are generated during group brainstorming sessions as it, “promotes one-track thinking and diminishes the performance of groups”[1].

5x expanded by Abinnquist (talk). Self-nominated at 00:03, 28 November 2019 (UTC).


  1. ^ Jablin, Fredric M.; Seibold, David R. (1978). "Implications for problem‐solving groups of empirical research on 'brainstorming': A critical review of the literature". Southern Speech Communication Journal. 43 (4): 327–356. doi:10.1080/10417947809372391. ISSN 0361-8269.
  • Symbol question.svg The article has been 5x expanded, and is an interesting, well-researched, and nicely referenced article, though it goes beyond my knowledge to entirely review it for accuracy (my Masters thesis was in perception rather than its neighbour cognition). I have done a little copyediting - such things as a few additional links and correcting the capitalisation of the section headings, and it looks like a little more such tidying may be required, though that should be easily done. My main concern is that the quote in your DYK hook is behind a paywall, and it also makes fairly long. I'm wondering whether shortening it to simply "... that cognitive inertia plays a role in why a lack of ideas are generated during group brainstorming sessions." would make for a more succinct hook. Grutness...wha? 13:04, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Spira Spica

  • ... that the name of the Japanese band Spira Spica comes from a Latin phrase meaning "having hopes as long as one lives" and the star Spica? Source: [12] ("バンド名の〝スピカ〟は、青く光る恒星。それに、ラテン語で〝生きている限り希望を持つことができる〟という意味の〝スピラ・スペラ〟をかけて、〝スピラ・スピカ〟として生まれ変わりました。")

Created by Narutolovehinata5 (talk). Self-nominated at 00:25, 26 November 2019 (UTC).

Ashnikko, Stupid (Ashnikko song)

Created by HeyitsBen (talk). Self-nominated at 12:46, 26 November 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 24[edit]

Battle of Mulroy

  • Comment: Article expanded from 24 November 2019

5x expanded by QuintusPetillius (talk). Self-nominated at 16:35, 8 December 2019 (UTC).

School belonging

  • ... that school belonging is "the extent to which students feel personally accepted, respected, included, and supported by others in the school social environment" and can have a significant influence on academic development and outcomes for students?" Source: Goodenow & Grady, 1993 Goodenow, Carol; Grady, Kathleen (1993). "The Relationship of School Belonging and Friends' Values to Academic Motivation Among Urban Adolescent Students". The Journal of Experimental Education. 62 (1): 60-71. doi:10.1080/00220973.1993.9943831.
    • ALT1:... that when students feel a greater sense of school belonging, their mental heath and well-being is improved? Source: Allen & Kern, 2017 Allen, Kelly-Ann; Kern, Margaret (2017). School Belonging in Adolescents: Theory, Research and Practice. Springer. ISBN 978-981-10-5995-7.
    • ALT2:... that a student's sense of school belonging is influenced by their relationships with their parents, peers, and teachers? Source: Allen & Kern, 2017 Allen, Kelly-Ann; Kern, Margaret (2017). School Belonging in Adolescents: Theory, Research and Practice. Springer. ISBN 978-981-10-5995-7.
    • ALT3:... that students' feelings of school belonging decline significantly during adolescence? Source: Gillen O'Neal & Fuligni, 2013 percent Gillen O'Neel, Cari; Fuligni, Andrew (2013). "A Longitudinal Study of School Belonging and Academic Motivation Across High School". Child Development. 84 (2): 678–692. doi:10.1111/j.1467-8624.2012.01862.x.

Created by Piper-ucla (talk). Self-nominated at 22:36, 25 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg - No QPQ needed. New enough, long enough. I like Alt 1, and suggest that. Warning flag from the earwig test. Before final approval, does anyone with a background in psychology want to look at this as well? --evrik (talk) 19:28, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Diversity ideologies

  • " ... that diversity ideologies are intended to reduce prejudice but can backfire and promote more hostility instead?" Verkuyten, M (2009). "Support for multiculturalism and minority rights: The role of national identification and out-group threat". Social Justice Research. 22 (1): 31–52. doi:10.1007/s11211-008-0087-7.

Created by Gloriaqiao (talk). Self-nominated at 04:14, 25 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Hi evrik, thank you so much for taking the time to review this page and provide feedback! As you suggested, I have replaced bare references on the page with {{cite journal}}, and added external links at the end. I also slightly modified the hook so that the first part (prejudice reduction) is reflected in the lead section and the second part (backfiring) is reflected in the sections of intergroup interactions under colorblindness and majority group resistance under multiculturalism. Gloriaqiao (talk) 09:24, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New enough, long enough. It passes the earwig test. I added the reference I believe supports your hook. I am asking for someone else to look at this. It is a rather dense and lengthy piece. --evrik (talk) 16:15, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

William Verbeck

Verbeck in 1911
Verbeck in 1911

Created by Eddie891 (talk) and Evrik (talk). Nominated by Evrik (talk) at 04:20, 25 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Date, size, refs, neutrality, copyvio spotcheck, etc. all GTG, the only issue is the hook, which focuses on his parents/birth, not his achievements. Can we get something about him that is more interesting that saying he was born to parents from Foo1 and Foo2 countries, which is essentially a boring trivia (no disrespect)? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:46, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

Political Cognition

  • ... that political cognition refers to the study of how individuals come to understand the political world, and how this understanding leads to political behavior? Some of the processes studied under the umbrella of political cognition include attention, interpretation, judgement, and memory.
  • ALT1: ... that

Created by Vicunab (talk). Self-nominated at 18:10, 9 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Vicunab, there are a few issues with this nomination. The first is that it was nominated fourteen days after the article was moved to mainspace from your user area, rather than the seven days required for new nominations. The second is that the hook is way too long at 289 characters; it needs to be fewer than 200 characters, must be interesting to a wide audience, and should be punchy if at all possible. Two-sentence hooks won't fly: the hook must start with an ellipsis and end in the question mark, as if it were ending part of a sentence beginning with "Did you know ...". (They also almost invariably start with a "that" after the ellipsis.) I think, given that you're a new Wikipedian, we can stretch the lateness of your nomination by those seven days. The hook, however, definitely needs fixing. Please submit a new, much shorter alternate hook next to the "ALT1" header I've added above below your original hook, which I have struck. Thank you very much, and best of luck. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:20, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 25[edit]

Social preferences

  • ... that the study of social preferences in behavioral economics provides both theory and evidence to the fairwage-effort hypothesis (i.e. the hypothesis that workers proportionately decreases effort when actual wage is lower than their fair wage)? Source: Fehr, Ernst; Kirchsteiger, Georg; Riedl, Arno (1993-05-01). "Does Fairness Prevent Market Clearing? An Experimental Investigation". The Quarterly Journal of Economics. 108 (2): 437–459. doi:10.2307/2118338.

Created/expanded by Y10z (talk). Self-nominated at 10:15, 9 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is nominated outside of the seven day window (first edit was made on 26 November, nomination was submitted on 9 December), but the author is a first-time contributor to DYK so there can be some lenience. Article was 5x expanded (527b to 12kb). Nominator is QPQ exempt. No concerning pings on Earwigs. The hook definitely needs some work; it needs to be something that is interesting and understandable to a general audience, which this hook isn't. The second paragraph in the lede has some interesting facts that could probably make good hooks. Morgan695 (talk) 06:15, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Progressive Slovakia

  • ... that the election of Progressive Slovakia's candidate in the 2019 presidential election was hailed by international media as a victory of liberalism over populism? Source: "the election in March of Zuzana Čaputová as Slovakia’s president was met with relief, if not outright euphoria, in most Western liberal media. The Financial Times hailed it as a veritable triumph of liberalism over populism. The New York Times and Bloomberg News reported it as a backlash against populism and a rebuke to nationalism. The Guardian praised it as a victory for progressive values, while the Washington Post claimed it as a reckoning for political strongmen, whose hold on power has an expiry date" Europpblog (London School of Economics)
    • ALT1:... that Progressive Slovakia gained support by campaigning against political corruption and clientelism? Source: "[Čaputová] ran for office as an outsider known for working to shut down an illegal toxic waste dump owned by wealthy real-estate owners with political ties, earning her the moniker “the Erin Brokovich of Slovakia.” This appealed to an electorate largely disillusioned with current political elites; all of whom are associated in some form or another with institutionalised corruption and political clientelism." Same as above. "Zuzana Caputova, a lawyer and political neophyte, leads the pack ahead of the Slovak election. Many of her compatriots hope she will clean up corruption" DW

5x expanded by Buidhe (talk). Self-nominated at 07:35, 29 November 2019 (UTC).

Fountain of the Pear Tree Canals

An aqueduct from the Fountain of the Pear Tree Canals
An aqueduct from the Fountain of the Pear Tree Canals
  • QPQ: Jay Shah
  • Comment: Lots of possible hooks here. This is a short review under 2,000 characters of prose. The sources are in Spanish.

Created by RTG (talk). Self-nominated at 01:22, 25 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg New enough, long enough and interesting. Hook needs some work. --evrik (talk) 17:40, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Sorry evrik I want to suggest another variation but is nearly impossible to type on phone until Wednesday, ~ R.T.G 00:19, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
That looks good I think. ALT1b:... that the Fountain of the Pear Tree Canals (pictured) fuelled Madrid's economy before being buried for 200 years, under the building of the Teatro Real in 1809? ~ R.T.G 12:57, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
  • I don't want to quibble, but the fountain is still buried. 1b makes it sound like it has been uncovered. --evrik (talk) 15:50, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Conceeded. "a" it is then o7 ~ R.T.G 20:20, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

  • I changed the title to "Fountain of the Pear Tree Canals" from "Fountain of the Canals of the Pear Tree" as it is a cleaner translation. As such, any hooks should be changed accordingly. Also, I'm not sure that the way ALT1a is phrased is entirely accurate... it didn't necessarily "fuel" Madrid's economy so much as supply water to many in Madrid. It definitely fueled the water carrier's trade, but saying more doesn't seem to be backed up by the ref here. So, for now, unfortunately giving this a Symbol possible vote.svg. I think there are other interesting things to mention in an ALT2 hook though, such as the fact it is thought to have been one of the first Turkish Baths in Madrid. Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 03:33, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
    • It’s late tonight, and I am on my phone, but I do remember one of the sources in Spanish using language that would have justified the words "fueled the economy," though it might have been the local economy of clothes washers and water carriers. Anyway I have put up another proposed hook if anybody wants to approve it.--evrik (talk) 05:44, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg I passed this article. Would someone else (not the author) please approve my hook? Thank you. --evrik (talk) 16:13, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 26[edit]

All India Institute of Medical Sciences, Kalyani, All India Institute of Medical Sciences, Bibinagar, All India Institute of Medical Sciences, Deoghar

Created by Muhandes (talk) and Amartyabag (talk). Nominated by Muhandes (talk) at 14:22, 2 December 2019 (UTC).

Microcracks in rock

  • ... that microcracks in rocks are oriented roughly parallel to the maximum applied stress? Kranz, Robert L. (1983-12-01). "Microcracks in rocks: A review". Tectonophysics. Continental Tectonics: Structure, Kinematics and Dynamics. 100 (1): 449–480. [13]

Moved to mainspace by AMLSIU (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 00:25, 30 November 2019 (UTC).

Subduction tectonics of the Philippines

  • ... that the Palawan Microcontinental Block which includes Palawan and Mindanao Islands, is colliding with the Philippine Mobile Belt? "Indenter-tectonics in the Philippines: Example from the Palawan Microcontinental Block - Philippine Mobile Belt Collision". Resource Geology. 55 (3): 189–198 [14]

Moved to mainspace by LkwkarenHKU (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 23:47, 29 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg I'll be claiming this for review and hope to finish within the next few days, but for now, I was wondering if a better hook could be presented here. Right now, it's a little dry and basically discusses a fact instead of highlighting something interesting about the topic. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 05:26, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Western Block of North China Craton

  • ... that the oldest part of the Western Block of North China Craton formed 2.7 billion years ago? Dong, X.J.; Xu, Z.Y.; Liu, Z.H.; Sha, Q. (2012). Discovery of 2.7 Ga granitic gneiss in the northern Daqingshan area, Inner Mongolia and its geological significance. Earth Sci. J. China Univ. Geosci. 37: 20–27

Moved to mainspace by HelenHYW (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 22:26, 29 November 2019 (UTC).

Biogeography of paravian dinosaurs

  • ... that the first known paravian dinosaurs are from China, but they now live on every continent? "A bony-crested Jurassic dinosaur with evidence of iridescent plumage highlights complexity in early paravian evolution". Nature Communications. 9 (1): 217[15]

Moved to mainspace by JacqCLSin (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 21:34, 29 November 2019 (UTC).

Agnes Nebo von Ballmoos

  • ... that under the leadership of ethnomusicologist Agnes Nebo von Ballmoos, the University of Liberia Chorus performed traditional Liberian music for the first time in its history? Source "Our research began in 1966 with the arrangement of seven songs performed by the University of Liberia choir--the very first time in our history of indigenous songs being performed by our highest institution. The idea thrilled the entire community and we received encouraging letters of congratulations and compliments"
  • ALT1 ... that Agnes Nebo von Ballmoos transcribed, arranged, and conducted traditional Liberian music, helping to preserve and popularize it?
  • ALT2 ... that under the leadership of ethnomusicologist Agnes Nebo von Ballmoos, the University of Liberia Chorus performed around the world, including at Lincoln Center? Source: "A highlight of her musical conducting was the participation of her University Chorus at the Fourth Lincoln Center International Choral Festival

Created by Philepitta (talk). Self-nominated at 02:48, 27 November 2019 (UTC).

Philepitta , thank you! Interesting life. I'm going to review later today today. Please link her (to birth place, university ...). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:54, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg Now: on good sources, no copyvio obvious. I like all hooks, and can't decide. How about a combination? The first two stay too much in Liberia, and scientific. Some of that within what ALT2 says, perhaps? I can't do it for you, or could not review it. Please check my copy-editing, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:15, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
Thank you so much Gerda Arendt for the edits to the article and for the thoughtful review! I will think more about how to revise the hook. Philepitta (talk) 02:54, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 27[edit]

Du Ruiqing

Created by Zanhe (talk). Self-nominated at 01:15, 1 December 2019 (UTC).

Bertha Boronda

  • ... that in 1907 Bertha Boronda was convicted of mayhem of her husband, but newspaper reports were restrained and genteel describing the crime? Source:Orlando Sentinel Quote: "'She drew a razor and cut her husband.' Then she walked to her nephew’s room and simply stated, 'Frank cut himself.'" :Source: Bertha’s Razor
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Created by Lightburst (talk) and 7&6=thirteen (talk). Nominated by 7&6=thirteen () 13:17, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

  • Symbol question.svg New enough, long enough, QPQ done, no copyvio issues. It needed quite a bit of copy editing, have done most of that, but would be good if you could just look it over. I'm confused why 'Catherine Kieu Becker' is giving as an alternate name in the infobox, when that seems to be a completely different person (Catherine Kieu). I'm not sure the hook is very catchy, could you propose an alternative? How about for example ALT1. Achaea (talk) 21:52, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
ALT1:... that Bertha Boronda tried to flee on a bicycle after committing mayhem against her husband?
The suggested alternate is Okay with me. The 'catchiness' of hooks is a matter of personal taste. de gustibus non est disputandum. Catherine Kieu and Lorena Bobbitt are different persons with a similar Modus operandi. 7&6=thirteen () 22:09, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Dental battery

Dental battery of the edmontosaurus
Dental battery of the edmontosaurus
  • ... that a dinosaurs dental battery can be compared to medieval scale armour or to denticles in a shark's skin? Source: "Each tooth is analogous to a single scale on medieval armor, or a single denticle in shark skin" [16]
    • ALT1:... that dinosaurs with a dental battery could have up to 300 teeth? Source: "Hadrosaurid dinosaurs, dominant Late Cretaceous herbivores, possessed complex dental batteries with up to 300 teeth in each jaw ramus" [17]
    • ALT2:... that the dental battery was a feature of dominant plant eating dinosaurs? Source: "The scientists believe the complexity of the dinosaur’s dentition contributed greatly to its success -- the hadrosaurids are believed to have been the dominant herbivore of their era"[18] ~ R.T.G 21:10, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
  • QPQ:Real Monasterio de Santo Tomás
  • Comment: QPQ soon, Possibly a difficult review, i.e. long read with scientific terms, but interesting ~ R.T.G 08:35, 27 November 2019 (UTC) Comment: The other image on the article may be more suitable, I'm going to post it below for opinions. ~ R.T.G 02:13, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Created by RTG (talk). Self-nominated at 08:35, 27 November 2019 (UTC).

Edmontosaurus regalis tooth crowns.png

Widener University Commonwealth Law School

Widener University Commonwealth Law School
Widener University Commonwealth Law School

Created by MVaughanK (talk). Self-nominated at 19:05, 27 November 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Neither of these proposed hooks is interesting or unusual. Information in the hooks needs to be in the nominated article. Information in the nominated article has to be supported by an inline citation. buidhe 08:07, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 28[edit]

Autograph (manuscript)

From Beethoven's autograph of his Ninth Symphony
From Beethoven's autograph of his Ninth Symphony
  • ... that autograph can mean a collectible signature of a celebrity, but also a manuscript written by the author of its content (example pictured)? Source: several
  • Reviewed: Henri Fertet
  • Comment: I found this suggestion just now in Template:Did you know nominations/Bach Digital. Strictly speaking, the article is a few days too old, but I believe it's an interesting subject, worth some lenience. With Beethoven's Ninth often played in New Year's concerts, it might work well 1 January.

Created by Francis Schonken (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 11:14, 9 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Oh, please, what a horrible hook – it doesn't even link to the autograph article, and the "... autograph ..." link is again, in the context of the proposed ALT0 text, a horrible WP:EGG. The proposed image isn't even an autograph, there's no reference that calls it an autograph. Non-starter in the context of DYK rules and unwritten conventions if I ever saw one. --Francis Schonken (talk) 11:33, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
Francis, the nom page is long, and you find the word "horrible" on it 3 times, 2 times right here ;) - OK, the hook you proposed was a bit different:
ALT1: ... that autograph not only means a collectible signature of a celebrity, but also a manuscript written by the author of its content?
The bolding has to be the new article, so I had to change that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:29, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
  1. That was not how I wrote it, and I don't like what you made of it
  2. I said from the outset that I was content ("... so be it") with the fact that the text I suggested at the Bach Digital DYKnom page is not possible according to current DYK rules
  3. Please stop wasting everybody's time, pretty please, again please, please, please, it's nearly Christmas, could you please, please, please, stop wasting other editors' time. Thanks. --Francis Schonken (talk) 16:28, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
You can do two things here: unwatch, or supply an ALT to your liking. You say you know enough about DYK, so you know that we can't bold the old article autograph, only the new one, autograph (manuscript), piped or unpiped. Alternatives welcome, anybody. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:33, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
I said I know enough of DYK procedures to know that this will never work – so please stop: whatever appears here will be read by me, but it wastes my time. --Francis Schonken (talk) 20:19, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

I must have misinterpreted you. You wrote in the other nom:

What I would think an interesting DYK for Wikipedia's Main Page is, for instance, something like "... that autograph not only means a collectible signature of a celebrity, but also a manuscript written by the author of its content?", but current DYK rules are incompatible with that kind of DYK hook: these rules are rather about giving credit to individual editors than to the Wikipedia encyclopedia as a whole – so be it.

It told me that you wanted that knowledge promoted, and that you thought the DYK rules were against it. I believe that it could have worked, but won't pursue it against your will. Until your last comment I thought that you could just unwatch, and we make it possible.

Symbol delete vote.svg If you can't unwatch, we better drop this. We can still link to the article from a Bach Digital hook. Thank you for the article, Francis. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:13, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Paramilitary punishment attacks in Northern Ireland

  • ... that in 2000, a local newspaper claimed that the "North Belfast kneecapping squad" could win an election? Source: "The plain fact of the matter is if the North Belfast kneecapping squad stood for election tomorrow they would romp home on the first count. We are not a barbaric lot, we are just tired and frustrated, and disempowered by the joyriding and drug-loving crowd of lowlifes who make working class areas their happy hunting ground." Andersonstown News, 18 March 2000. Quoted in Hamill 2002, p. 62.
    • ALT1:... that the United States found it "intolerably awkward ... to turn a blind eye to vigilante murder" during the Northern Ireland peace process? Source: Stevenson, Jonathan (1996). "Northern Ireland: Treating Terrorists as Statesmen". Foreign Policy (105): 125–140. doi:10.2307/1148978. ISSN 0015-7228. JSTOR 1148978. pp. 134–135
    • ALT2:... that in the last year, one Northern Ireland resident was beaten or shot in a paramilitary punishment attack every four days on average? [19]
    • ALT3: ... that nearly half of paramilitary punishment attacks in Northern Ireland have occurred since the official end of the conflict?[20]
  • Reviewed: Jack Gannon
  • Comment: This article was spun off of Alternative law in Ireland but most of it is original. There are a lot of potential hooks, but many of the details are a bit too gruesome for the main page.

Created by Buidhe (talk). Self-nominated at 08:03, 29 November 2019 (UTC).

DreamWorks Water Park

  • ... that the DreamWorks Water Park, advertised as North America's largest indoor water park, will include a 1.5-acre (0.61 ha) indoor wave pool and 40 water slides? Source: CBS, nj.com

Created by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 19:39, 28 November 2019 (UTC).

Billy Wilder filmography

  • ... that American filmmaker Billy Wilder's films ranged from romantic comedies to film noir? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

5x expanded by Cowlibob (talk). Self-nominated at 14:32, 28 November 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 29[edit]

Independent Network Charismatic Christianity

  • ... that leaders within the Independent Network Charismatic Christianity movement do not aim to grow churches but rather seek to influence the “seven mountains of culture”? Source: "Whereas more traditional church movements... have sought to build congregations and create franchises of affiliated churches, INC leaders prefer to try to directly influence the beliefs and practices of individuals, regardless of their personal and denominational affiliations." Christerson & Flory 2017a, p.8; "This commitment to social change involves the desire to see INC Christians in positions of leadership in the "seven mountains of culture": business, government, media, arts and entertainment, education, family, and religion." Ostling 2017; Bringing Heaven to Earth, 2:51.
  • Reviewed: No QPQ - only 3 previous DYK credits (under old account).
  • Comment: Article created in my userspace on 17 Nov; moved to mainspace on 29 Nov.

Created by WJ94 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:37, 29 November 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 30[edit]

Julia Bauer

  • Reviewed: Diocalandra frumenti
  • Comment: She is small, so can convince in roles that others could not tackle. Much more could be said, such as that the Forest Bird is normally not seen at all, that Lulu is often required to use speaking voice, and that the 12-year old is subjected to exorcism. Try if you like.

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 15:16, 7 December 2019 (UTC).


  • ... that radio station WBSS canceled a program after the state of Florida began investigating its host for fraud? Source
    • ALT1:... that WWNN (980 AM) in Pompano Beach, Florida, was the first radio station in the United States to adopt a format consisting of motivational speeches? Source
    • ALT2:... that the transmitter site for AM radio stations WHSR and WSBR was sold for $7.1 million to the city of Parkland, Florida, for future use as a park? Source

5x expanded by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 01:17, 1 December 2019 (UTC). ALT2 added at 22:32, 1 December 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on December 1[edit]

Tochter Zion, freue dich

"Tochter Zion" in a print from St. Louis
"Tochter Zion" in a print from St. Louis

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 12:40, 8 December 2019 (UTC).

Cypress Creek Middle High School

Created by JGHowes (talk). Self-nominated at 21:18, 5 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Would it be possible to propose a different hook here? Right now, the hook as written doesn't really sound interesting to a broad audience. From what I can tell, the thought was that it's a combined middle and high school? If that's the case, perhaps the hook can be reworded to emphasize that? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:30, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5, I've now added an Alt 1 hook.  JGHowes  talk 01:40, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
That sounds clearer, but honestly I'm not sure if the hook appeals to non-American readers, since the definitions of what grades are can vary from country to country. In addition, middle schools and high schools being combined into one school is not uncommon in most of the world, from what I recall. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:05, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
One more try with an 'Alt2' hook.  JGHowes  talk 00:52, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
It's much clearer, but again I'm not really so sure about its appeal. I think it might be a good idea to ask for a second opinion from another editor on if it's interesting to a broad audience. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 22:51, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
I don't see a hook in the nominated article. All the things you are discussing in the hooks are commonplace to newly opened schools, and non-traditional groupings of grades are occurring nationwide due to lack of building capital and proper effective stewardship by local school districts of the taxpayer's money. John from Idegon (talk) 09:29, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
  • I concur with Narutolovehinata5 that this needs a new hook, but unlike John from Idegon, I do see one potential hook fact. On the positive side, the article is new and long enough. QPQ needed. @JGHowes: I am going to make my own suggestion for a hook. Ping me when you have a QPQ: Raymie (tc) 20:18, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
That's certainly better writing, but aren't we looking for things differentiting? The way this school opened and operated for its first few years is commonplace. When a district adds a new school, there are several ways to handle the expansion. Whereas details like this are important to the local community, they are not enlighting on the entire history of the school. It seems to me these details, if topically encyclopedic and not just news, would be more pertinent to the school district article. Expanding the school district is much more about the district than any individual school, even a new one. Frequently bonding for new construction is not limited to just building one new school. There are generally at least upgrades, if not expansion or more new construction to other schools. We don't have articles on any but the high schools. John from Idegon (talk) 21:30, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
I set out to write this article because it was the only red linked high school listed at Pasco County Schools and it seemed intriguing that a new school of considerable size (2,000+ pupils) would be built at the outset as two schools in one, at least temporarily. (Raymie, QPQ added).  JGHowes  talk 23:12, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Glad to hear a QPQ's been added. I've found some additional material from when the school was under construction, and I'd prefer if another reviewer took a stab at appraising this ALT4 as I have added about 25% of the article's current prose: Raymie (tc) 00:21, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
ALT4: ... that separate locker rooms and a divider in the gymnasium help segregate middle school and high school students at Cypress Creek Middle High School in Wesley Chapel, Florida? Source

William Goldman (photographer)

Woman inspecting one of William Goldman's albums
Woman inspecting one of William Goldman's albums
Photograph from William Goldman's albums
Photograph from William Goldman's albums
  • ... that in the 1890s, William Goldman secretly assembled a collection of photographs of the prostitutes of Reading, Pennsylvania?
    • ALT1:... that William Goldman's photographs of the prostitutes of Reading, Pennsylvania, offer insights into fashion, interior decoration, and social conditions in the 1890s?

Created by Philafrenzy (talk) and Whispyhistory (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 12:09, 5 December 2019 (UTC).

Herbert E. Grier

Moved to mainspace by MrLinkinPark333 (talk). Self-nominated at 00:35, 2 December 2019 (UTC).

Charles H. Mahoney

Created by Coffee (talk). Self-nominated at 18:58, 1 December 2019 (UTC).

  • In-depth review of article in progress. Article was nominated the same day of creation, has 2000+ bytes of prose, has an interesting and cited hook plus a QPQ. The cited hook is behind a paywall, so I'll have to AGF it. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 21:06, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
  • @MrLinkinPark333: I have access to NY Times. The source says "first American Negro delegate to the United Nations". epicgenius (talk) 22:03, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
  • On a side note, is there a need to say the first African American from the United States in the article? I think the focus is that he is the first US delegate to the UN that is African American. epicgenius (talk) 22:05, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
Symbol possible vote.svg I've requested the three NYT sources at the Resource Exchange. The one that is cited is used multiple times, so it's no longer just for the lead. Otherwise, there are issues with this article:
  • Detroit Free Press doesn't specify which of his parents was a contractor, so I can't assume it was his father.☑Y
  • Worldcat doesn't state in the listing he went to grade school in Decatur. Note: - not yet done.
  • Times Herald said his speech was the best the college ever had at the time, not Mahoney himself.☑Y
  • Worldcat doesn't have Fisk University in the listing. Note: - not yet done.
  • The acquittals in 1926 were for the Sweets only. The previous year resulted in the mistrial of the other defendants, not acquittals.☑Y
  • Detroit Free Press doesn't specifiy Fitzgerald was the 36th Governor, just governor.☑Y
  • The 1936 News-Palladium source says he lost the Democratic nomination, and has no mention of the House of Representatives. Note: - not yet done.
  • Close paraphrasing of Detroit Free Press for the Great Lakes Mutual Insurance part. Not sure

I'm waiting on the three NYT times sources to check the rest. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 22:24, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg @MrLinkinPark333: Thanks for that in-depth review... I'm a bit rusty coming back from a long break from the project so some errors were to be expected. I've fixed everything listed (and some were nicely fixed before I got to the article this morning with a source addition by RFD (talk · contribs)), so it should be good to go now. Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 16:47, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
@Coffee: I'll leave this for someone else to fully recheck as I no longer have access to newspapers.com. The main things I see leftover are the above points plus:
  • The word "eventually" needs to be dropped per WP:EDITORIALIZING for neutrality in "The case eventually ended with Sweet's acquittal"
  • There are also references that do not back up some of the claims while also having issues of WP:REFBOMB.

Otherwise, the hook is fine as I was sent a copy of the article in the Resource Exchange. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 21:48, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

I think I've fully resolved those issues now. Thanks for your assistance on this one! Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 00:03, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Acceptable level of violence

Created by Buidhe (talk). Self-nominated at 03:15, 1 December 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on December 2[edit]

Angels' Carol

  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: A former version of this article, which I never saw, was deleted. This is new.

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 18:25, 9 December 2019 (UTC).


The Kaschlan, the commanding card
The Kaschlan, the commanding card
  • ... that the card game of Kaschlan, named after its top trump, the Queen of Diamonds, gave rise to the Prussian idiom "my stomach's playing Kaschlan with my bowels" meaning "my tummy's rumbling"? Frischbier, Hermann (1855). Preußische Sprichwörter und volksthümliche Redensarten, Bd. 1. Enslin, Berlin.
  • Reviewed: to follow

Created by Bermicourt (talk). Self-nominated at 19:35, 2 December 2019 (UTC).

I am finding the hook confusing. Kaschlan is named after castellan, which, reading the text, refers to the top card. It's not named after the QH, right? Also, while it does appear to have given rise to the idioms, I'm not clear why? Was there something about the gameplay that is somehow related to being hungry or old? It appears something is being lost in translation. Suggest keeping it simple:
ALT1: ... that the card game of Kaschlan, named after its trump, became so popular it was used in the Prussian idiom "my stomach's playing Kaschlan with my bowels"?

Same ref would apply. Maury Markowitz (talk) 21:54, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 3[edit]

Ocean Wind

  • Reviewed: to follow

Created by Djflem (talk). Self-nominated at 10:53, 7 December 2019 (UTC).

Social class differences in food consumption

5x expanded by Lauren Hofschneider (talk). Nominated by Lhofschneider (talk) at 19:32, 3 December 2019 (UTC).

U.S. presidential impeachment

Created by Deisenbe (talk) and Arglebargle79 (talk). Self-nominated at 18:41, 3 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Hi Deisenbe. Symbol possible vote.svg On first look this doesn't seem like it has enough prose characters. I'm only seeing about 520 characters of readable prose, which excludes the quote and the bullet lists. Even if the quote and bullet lists were converted into paragraphs, this only appears to have 1,000 characters, but the quotes and bullet lists are not eligible. In order for this to be eligible, you'd need to (1) add 1,000 more prose characters (to the paragraphs, not to any bullet lists) or (2) convert the bullet lists into paragraph and add about 800 more prose characters. epicgenius (talk) 03:43, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
Furthermore, this appears to have some unreferenced bullet points as well - these will have to be fixed. epicgenius (talk) 03:44, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
@Epicgenius: Not involved in this nomination, just a courtesy ping. Article has been expanded to be 5x on 6 December. Cowlibob (talk) 12:41, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
@Cowlibob: Thanks. I've done a full review now. (Also, it makes sense to credit @Arglebargle79: on this as well, since they provided most of the expansion.) Deisenbe, if you or Arglebargle79 can resolve the issues below, that would be great. epicgenius (talk) 13:55, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - I don't see a specific source saying this.
  • Interesting: Green tickY
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol question.svg epicgenius (talk) 13:55, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 4[edit]

Laura Aikin

Aikin as Marie in Die Soldaten
Aikin as Marie in
Die Soldaten
  • Reviewed: to come

Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 18:18, 11 December 2019 (UTC).

Und es waren Hirten in derselben Gegend, BWV 248 II

Annunciaion to the Shepherds by Govert Flinck
Annunciaion to the Shepherds by Govert Flinck
  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: for 26 December please, because Bach wrote it for that day - he wrote different music for 25 Dec and 27 Dec

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 15:59, 11 December 2019 (UTC).


  • ... that the 12-year license fight that led to the establishment of Washington, D.C., radio station WYCB also drained its principals' finances? Source (p20), source

Created/expanded by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 22:11, 5 December 2019 (UTC).

WFAB (Miami)

  • ... that when Miami's WFAB radio closed in 1977, Hispanic shops in Homestead closed for an hour in mourning? Source
    • ALT1:... that staff at Miami's WFAB radio furnished blank station letterhead to an advertiser, leading to the scam that caused the FCC to revoke its license? Source (p28)

Created by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 05:29, 5 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol delete vote.svg Article is not long enough, and relies on a single source. Ceoil (talk) 23:23, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
@Ceoil: @Raymie: i persume the hook is pointing to the wrong article per the name in bold and should be WFAB (Miami)?. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 03:07, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg @Ceoil and MrLinkinPark333: Yup, brain fart. I've fixed the hook. Raymie (tc) 03:22, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Kelly Loeffler

Created by Muboshgu (talk). Self-nominated at 17:10, 4 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Just timely enough for nomination and new enough as well. The hook is backed up by the source and appears with that citation in the article. QPQ pending. Muboshgu, the sentence about campaign donations to David Scott needs a citation. Please ping me when this is rectified and a QPQ has been done. Raymie (tc) 05:26, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Raymie, I fixed the David Scott donation and proposed ALT1. I'll QPQ today. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:05, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
  • QPQ is done. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:43, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Living in Bondage: Breaking Free

  • ... that Living in Bondage: Breaking Free, the sequel to the 1992 film Living in Bondage, was the highest-grossing Nigerian film of 2019? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Created/expanded by Abishe (talk). Self-nominated at 07:36, 4 December 2019 (UTC).

Begotten (film)

  • ... that E. Elias Merhige's film Begotten was first released in Montreal 1989, but various media outlets have mistakenly reported that the film's screening at the San Francisco Film Festival in 1990 was its first release?
  • ALT1:... that singer Marilyn Manson hired E. Elias Merhige to direct several of his music videos after viewing a copy of his debut film Begotten?
  • ALT2:... that Begotten's distinct visual style was accomplished through the use of an optical printer, which took a total of eight to ten hours for each minute of film?
  • ALT3:... that Begotten is considered by its creator E. Elias Merhige to be a part of an unofficial series, with the second entry being the 2006 short film Din of Celestial Birds?

Improved to Good Article status by Paleface Jack (talk). Self-nominated at 17:26, 4 December 2019 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Fascinating film and story, on excellent sources, French sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. There are so many great things one might say for a hook just in the first paragraph of the lead: no dialogue, black&white, horror, - how about some of that? Keep in mind that the reader needs to know rather soon that is a film. Did you not link Merhige on purpose? - My reactions to the proposed hooks: #0 leaves me cold, #1 is for Manson fans while others (around the globe) may not know who that is, #2 is one I'd approve if you don't want to spend time on the suggestion, #3 doesn't tell me "film", and I'm tired by reaching trilogy. - Great work, nice to meet you, - now let's show it at it best. Anything with an image would be attractive, - remember: no dialogue ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:42, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
ALT4:... that in spite of high praise from film critic Susan Sontag, Begotten has received little to no attention from film critics, with many mainstream reviewers ignoring the film entirely?
I moved your new hook down here. Please don't change things which have been discussed. (like, I speak of Manson, and there's no Manson ...) Now to ALT4: two reactions possible, you want to follow Sontag - whom you may know or not - and click, or you follow those who ignore. I'd still be more interested in the "no dialogue" aspect. Take your time, bedtime for me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:23, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
Sorry about that. I was kind of working on end steam when I did this. I will work on this all a bit more in a little while.Paleface Jack (talk)
Take your time, Jack, - I moved your comment above the closing line. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:33, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Still working on redoing the hooks, but here is what I have rewritten it all to so far:

  • ALT5:... that the film Begotten contains no dialogue, being made to resemble an aged silent film; accomplished through the use of an optical printer, a process taking a total of eight to ten hours for each minute of film?
  • ALT6:... that in spite of high praise from famed critics Susan Sontag and Jonathan Rosenbaum, Begotten has received little to no attention from film critics, with many mainstream reviewers ignoring the film entirely?

--Paleface Jack (talk) 18:01, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for these offers, which i numbered consecutively. For the moment, only ALT1 is out, we look at the rest. My favourite is ALT5, but please supply a year, and I'm not sure if we need to explain the printer here, - our objective should be to raise enough interest in a reader to click and want more. So, try ALT7 with a year, the creator, and less technical detail. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:10, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 5[edit]


Created by Staszek Lem (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 10:19, 13 December 2019 (UTC).

Figuralchor Frankfurt

  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: I could give you a Christmas hook for them if wanted, but Mahler is more spectacular.

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 16:52, 12 December 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on December 6[edit]

Angelo Neumann

Angelo Neumann in 1880
Angelo Neumann in 1880
  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: sorry, a date late, again

Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 16:01, 14 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg : In the hook, I don't understand "in the sets". Ceoil (talk) 19:14, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Stage sets or how do you call that? Costumes also. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:57, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Salvatore Pais

Salvatore Pais's design for the U.S. Navy
Salvatore Pais's design for the U.S. Navy
  • ... that Salvatore Pais's design for a "UFO-like aircraft that uses 'anti-gravity' technology" (pictured) has been patented by the U.S. Navy? (Forbes)
    • ALT1:... that Salvatore Pais's design for a "hybrid aerospace/undersea craft" (pictured) has been patented by the U.S. Navy? (patent)
  • Reviewed: To be done
  • Comment: Plenty of alternative hooks possible here

Created by Philafrenzy (talk) and Whispyhistory (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 21:48, 13 December 2019 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - Struck first hook because this is not an RS
  • Interesting: Green tickY

Image eligibility:

Overall: Symbol question.svg Notability not evaluated. Second hook ok without picture. Please do not move DYK nom subpages, it leads to unexpected results (if you click the review link, you will see what I mean) buidhe 22:36, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, the image is simply there to provide a general impression of one of the possible shapes of the craft. Why isn't the picture suitable for the second hook? It is the thing mentioned in the hook. Forbes source removed from article. QPQ shortly. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:19, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Wiesbadener Bachwochen

Project choir in St. Bonifatius, Wiesbaden, 2015
Project choir in St. Bonifatius, Wiesbaden, 2015
  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: This could go any date including Christmas if we are short. The image if taken should probably be cropped. Calling David for help.

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 16:58, 13 December 2019 (UTC).

Henri Fertet

  • ... that Henri Fertet (1926–1943) was a French schoolboy and Resistance fighter who was executed as a terrorist by the German forces occupying France during World War II, and that on 5 June 2019 French president Emmanuel Macron at a 75th anniversary Europe-wide commemoration of the 1944 Normandy landings read out part of his farewell letter to his parents, written on the morning of his execution?
  • Comment: Translated from fr:Henri Fertet, but expanded and with more citations.
    I haven't included his posthumous honours in the draft hook: they were rather to be expected under the circumstances, they make a long list, and IMO they don't add to the essence of the story.
    (If anyone here knows how to put File:Henri Fertet.jpg into the French article, please do so. After reading the guides in four languages on how to move images into Commons, I am none the wiser.)

Created by Narky Blert (talk). Self-nominated at 22:46, 11 December 2019 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Substantial article, and much more substantial than the French one, on excellent sources which - mostly French - I accept AGF, no copyvio obvious. What you propose for a hook is a load of material from which you will have to pick something concise, begin with ALT1, and below please. If I was you, I'd take the image of the street sign, which would tell us "martyr of the resistance" already, so you can focus on something else. I like the lead sentence about the letter. Youmay also consider Macron reading from it. Good luck, and many thanks for a valuable article! - Ah, for how get the image of the boy to the commons, I call David. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:20, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Totzeret HaAretz Towers

  • ... that WeWork's largest space in Israel is located in the iceberg-inspired Totzeret HaAretz Tower 1 in Tel Aviv? Source: "it turns out that in Israel, WeWork's biggest lease (and perhaps other leases also) has actually been signed by Ampa.", "Almost two years after the reports of the huge lease signed by WeWork in the new ToHa building in Tel Aviv, sources inform "Globes" that the company that actually signed the lease is Ampa Real Estate." [26], "במסיבת עיתונאים שנערכה הבוקר באתר הבנייה אמרו השניים כי המגדל מעוצב בצורה גיאומטרית, השואבת השראה מקרחון חצוב כמעין יהלום שהונח בלב הצומת הסואן." (iceberg part) [27]
    • ALT1: ... that the design of Totzeret HaAretz Tower 1 in Tel Aviv was inspired by icebergs? Source: "במסיבת עיתונאים שנערכה הבוקר באתר הבנייה אמרו השניים כי המגדל מעוצב בצורה גיאומטרית, השואבת השראה מקרחון חצוב כמעין יהלום שהונח בלב הצומת הסואן." (iceberg part) [28]

Created by Ynhockey (talk). Self-nominated at 23:49, 6 December 2019 (UTC).

  • WeWork is kaput, and there is little chance it will be leasing new spaces. Abductive (reasoning) 21:12, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
Is it? Their article seems to say that they're still active. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:21, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
Surviving but not thriving. Note that the source quoted above contradicts the blurb. Abductive (reasoning) 00:27, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
Would a new hook be needed then, in this case? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:36, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
Well, I would like to known how exactly it is inspired by icebergs even though it is black. Abductive (reasoning) 00:50, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
@Abductive: I think it's just the photo, the tower's window blinds are designed to be bright, and the glass is standard. I work not far from there and can take a better picture some time, but can't promise anything at the moment. Here is an article with a picture where the building looks brighter (hey, might use this as a source).[29]Ynhockey (Talk) 09:54, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
So, why not, "...that the design of Totzeret HaAretz Tower 1 in Tel Aviv was inspired by icebergs?" Abductive (reasoning) 06:16, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
@Abductive: Do you think it's better? I just wanted something that non-Israelis could relate to, not to mention it is IMO interesting based on recent events. I have added this as an alternative, but the original version also mentions the iceberg. —Ynhockey (Talk) 12:27, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
I think it would work, but I will defer to whatever the consensus is here. Abductive (reasoning) 15:31, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: I am not sure whether WeWork's financial situation is relevant to this DYK, I just thought of using a fact from the article that's relatable to someone who does not live in Tel Aviv. However, if you are interested in WeWork, they are still leasing new spaces in Tel Aviv and the rest of Israel, like this one.[30] Yes, it could collapse tomorrow, I have no idea about that, but as of this writing it's still working. —Ynhockey (Talk) 09:51, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
As long as WeWork still existed by the time this shows up on the main page, there's no issue with using present tense, no? Worst case scenario promoter changes the hook to past tense. Juxlos (talk) 19:51, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

The Idea of Pakistan

  • Reviewed: Reviewing

Created by DiplomatTesterMan (talk). Self-nominated at 11:28, 6 December 2019 (UTC).

Roy and Gigi Ben Artzi

Roy Ben Artzi, 2019
Roy Ben Artzi, 2019

Created/expanded by Omert33 (talk). Self-nominated at 10:03, 6 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg This DYK nomination is being placed on hold: at the moment, there is no joint article under this name (the joint article link redirects to Roy's article), and the individual articles for the two brothers are both nominated at Articles for Deletion. It was the right thing to nominate for DYK before the seven-day eligibility was up, but we now need to wait to see whether the brothers' articles are deleted, merged, or left intact after the AfDs have been concluded. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:02, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Acer diabolicum

Created by Abductive (talk). Self-nominated at 20:38, 9 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Review: Article is 1. new enough, created 6 December. 2.It is long enough. 3. There are no serious policy concerns. The hook is 1 correctly formatted and 2 interesting enough. The images are all Commons compliant, of sufficient quality and one of them shows the feature mentioned in the hook. I support accepting this nomination. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:50, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 7[edit]

Yves Abel

  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: He seems to be everywhere which should a bit.

Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 17:50, 14 December 2019 (UTC).

Jutta Hering-Winckler

  • Reviewed: to come

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 10:10, 14 December 2019 (UTC).

Kim A. Wagner

Created by Whispyhistory (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 01:21, 13 December 2019 (UTC).

Art of the 2019 Hong Kong protests

The LIHKG Pig as one of the symbols of the 2019 Hong Kong protests
The LIHKG Pig as one of the symbols of the 2019 Hong Kong protests

Moved to mainspace by OceanHok (talk). Self-nominated at 14:31, 12 December 2019 (UTC).

The equatorie of the planetis

Equatorium indicating the orbit of Saturn, 1551.
Equatorium indicating the orbit of Saturn, 1551.
  • ... that the 14th-century The equatorie of the planetis, sometimes ascribed to Chaucer, describes an equatorium (example pictured)? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/WNSD.
  • Comment: The hook is a bit lame. I might could play around with the cipher, and the Arabic provenance, but I don't have enough material for that right now.

Created by Drmies (talk). Self-nominated at 22:59, 10 December 2019 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Red XN - I guess you can write something about Chaucer's authorship. I have to head to class soon, but will think about this as well.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg epicgenius (talk) 14:36, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

  • epicgenius, those two things are done. I don't really want to overplay the authorship angle since that takes away from the actual book, but if you think that's more hooky, we can try. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 17:25, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
    • @Drmies: OK. I was thinking of another hook that deals exclusively with authorship, but let's try these:
    • I can't think of anything else at the moment (ALT2 was just your original proposal, but with the phrases reversed). Maybe EEng might have something, he's better at catchy hooks than I am, or we can ask somebody else. epicgenius (talk) 21:42, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
      • Hmm OK--we can't go with the first one, since no one really says "ah yes absolutely it's Chaucer", and more than one person may put stock in the vocabulary bit, and etc. There's just not enough clarity to make categorical statements like that. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 03:47, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
        • I think ALT2 is decent, then, but Symbol redirect vote 4.svg we still need another reviewer to look at it, since I can't approve my own proposed hooks. epicgenius (talk) 13:47, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
          • I don't see any reason not to include a picture, so I've gone ahead and added it.
          • ALT3: ... that the 14th-century The equatorie of the planetis, sometimes ascribed to Chaucer, describes an instrument (example pictured) used to calculate the positions of the planets?
          • (For ALT3, an additional ref would be required immediately after the instrument's description.) I think it's better to say what the instrument is rather than just naming it and having people click on equatorium to find out what it is. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 23:53, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Alexander Gillies

  • ... that Dr (later Sir) Alexander Gillies was able to win a scholarship to study medicine in Edinburgh, Scotland, because he had served with the New Zealand Expeditionary Force in WW1? Source: "He was awarded an NCEF scholarship, awarded to demobilised New Zealand soldiers, and this enabled him to study medicine at the University of Edinburgh...Beasley

5x expanded by Iainmacintyre (talk). Self-nominated at 15:08, 8 December 2019 (UTC).

Christmas Island flying fox

The Christmas Island flying fox
The Christmas Island flying fox

Improved to Good Article status by Dunkleosteus77 (talk). Nominated by Enwebb (talk) at 14:16, 7 December 2019 (UTC).

  • For ALT1, instead of "vertebrate frugivores," we can say something a bit more friendly like "fruit-eaters"   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  17:01, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Sure. Hope you don't mind I went ahead and nominated. I wasn't sure if you would and the window is closing soon. Enwebb (talk) 17:07, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
Disallowed review by article's primary author

QPQ: ????
Overall: Symbol redirect vote 4.svg I'd say ALT1 is good, but I don't really understand the DYK process all too well, and I'm the primary author, so I'm not saying full steam ahead. We should probably get a third party candidate over here   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  18:07, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed by independent reviewer. Dunkleosteus77, I have hatted your review: as the primary author, you are not eligible to review the article at DYK, which must be done by someone independent. I am quoting your comment from it—I'd say ALT1 is good—since it's useful to have your opinion on whether you like the hooks proposed by the nominator and feel they accurately reflect what's in the article. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:46, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Current nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on December 8[edit]


5x expanded by Alexbrn (talk). Nominated by Muhandes (talk) at 18:11, 14 December 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on December 9[edit]

Wildlife of Christmas Island

Christmas Island red crab
Christmas Island red crab

Created by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 07:39, 14 December 2019 (UTC).

Charlotte whale

Moved to mainspace by Daß Wölf (talk). Self-nominated at 14:37, 9 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Is there a reason to not use our own wording for the first hook? I really like the concept it's pointing to, but don't understand why we can't say something like

List of Chris Evans performances

Chris Evans.
Chris Evans.

* ... that actor Chris Evans (pictured) has appeared as Captain America in eleven films? Source: Films sourced in article

Created by Morgan695 (talk). Self-nominated at 00:21, 9 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Revised hooks (plus one addition) below. Morgan695 (talk) 19:20, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
ALT0a:... that actor Chris Evans(pictured) filmography includes twelve appearances as Captain America? Source: 11 films and one video game sourced in article
ALT1a... that actor Chris Evans (pictured) made his film debut in an educational film co-produced by the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation? Source: Boston.com
ALT2... that actor Chris Evans (pictured) has described his early filmography as being "really terrible"? Source: The Boston Globe

Sanna Marin

  • ... that at 34, Sanna Marin becomes the youngest ever prime minister in the world? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
    • ALT1:... that Sanna Marin is the first world leader to be raised up by a same sex couple? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

5x expanded by Abishe (talk). Self-nominated at 19:27, 9 December 2019 (UTC).

Oops I was a bit hurry. I assume the article will further be expanded in coming days as the subject is increasingly popular. Should I withdraw now and to activate the nomination once it reach the 5× expansion. Abishe (talk) 20:05, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
It's up to you Abishe. I don't mind keeping an eye on this nomination page if you want time to expand the article - Dumelow (talk) 20:21, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
I actually nominated here in case if it doesn't have the privilege to be nominated to the ITN section. I acknowledge this is a very important news as the subject is about the world's youngest elected PM. Abishe (talk) 20:39, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Sam Pittman

  • ... that new Arkansas Razorbacks head football coach Sam Pittman once built a fort in Rex Ryan's yard? Source: Dawidoff (2013), pp. 39–40
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Created by Mackensen (talk). Self-nominated at 03:52, 9 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg New enough (nominated day of creation), neutral, and long enough. AGF on offline source. Earwig doesn't detect any significant copyvios. Mackensen, please ping me when QPQ is done. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 06:32, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg HickoryOughtShirt?4, for future reference, nominations missing their QPQ (but pass all the other criteria) should be given this "?" icon, not a tick. Both ticks mean that the nomination is ready for immediate promotion to prep, which this is not. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:11, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 10[edit]

John Muriel

  • ... that John Muriel's novel of the love life of a schoolmaster's wife, Youth in Bondage, was banned in the Republic of Ireland?
    • ALT1:...that John Muriel, whose father and grandfather were both physicians, wrote about the murders committed by doctors?
  • Reviewed: To be done
  • 5x expansion from 10 Dec.

Created by Philafrenzy (talk) and Whispyhistory (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 21:48, 12 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Reviewing
  • Article is new enough, long enough (5x expanded), neutral and supported by inline citations.
  • No copyvio on Earwig.
  • Both hooks are short enough, correctly formatted, of general interest and supported by inline citations. Citations not online so taken on trust
  • QPQ awaited. Papamac (talk) 09:57, 13 December 2019 (UTC)


5x expanded by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 20:29, 12 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article expansion start date and filing date okay. Article length is sufficient and expansion factor is 9x, more than enough. Article is sourced, neutral, and no evident instances of copyvio seen. Hook length is okay at 173 characters, hook neutrality is not an issue. QPQ done (half as an added review, half as a contribution).
But I'm a little concerned about some factual matters. The hook says that Palm Springs High School "sold" the station to USC, but that is not supported by fn 4, which uses the words "giving" and "turned over" – unless I missed it, I see no indication that money was exchanged. The article says that KPSH was the only station playing album oriented rock in the Palm Springs area. But a) I find that hard to believe, since that was a very popular format in the late 1970s/early 1980s, and b) fn 2 doesn't really support that claim; it can just as easily be interpreted as expressing the writer's view that KPSH was the best of the album oriented rock stations in the area. The article implies that the station stayed at 10 watts throughout its time with the high school, but fn 3 states that it was at 180 watts by 1985. Relatedly, the article would benefit by indicating how far the high school station signal could be heard – both fn 2 and fn 3 give the areas that could hear it during each of those periods. It's also worth mentioning what fn 3 says about the high school students themselves not having many opportunities to listen to it.
Another improvement is that Repeater#Radio repeater should be linked to, as many readers may not be familiar with what a repeater station is. Also I'm not sure if the KUSC logo should be at the top of the article; maybe an old KPSH-FM can be found instead? The high school era of the article is more interesting to the reader than the college repeater era. And I don't think the {{main|KUSC}} usage at the end adds anything; KUSC is already linked to in the first paragraph and that should be sufficient.
So some of these issues need to be addressed before this nomination can move further. Wasted Time R (talk) 22:22, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
Hi Wasted Time R,
  • You do seem to be correct, so I've changed it over to "turned over". I found a second source in support of this that had not been identified because it misspelled the call letters (as "KPHS"), as well as more information on prior USC attempts to build a Palm Springs-area station (they had the year before filed an application for a brand new license).
  • I've removed the note about being the only AOR station. The 1980 Broadcasting Yearbook lists the station as MOR for some reason (with an inaccurate sign-on date), so there's a bit of fuzziness.
  • We only permit current radio station logos in the infoboxes of active radio stations, so yes, the KUSC logo belongs there.
Raymie (tc) 23:08, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

The Sack of Bath

Created by Wingedserif (talk). Self-nominated at 22:53, 11 December 2019 (UTC).

Skandinavskii sbornik

  • ... that Skandinavskii sbornik was the leading forum for Soviet scholars of Nordic studies for 35 years until the collapse of the Soviet Union?
    • ALT1:... that ...?
  • Reviewed: To be done

Created by Philafrenzy (talk) and Whispyhistory (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 11:57, 11 December 2019 (UTC).

Thomas I. Gasson

Created by Ergo Sum (talk). Self-nominated at 03:50, 11 December 2019 (UTC).

Jorge López Pérez

  • ... that Mexican soldier Jorge López Pérez specialized in martial arts, guerrilla warfare, parachuting and explosives?
    • ALT1:... that Mexican soldier Jorge López Pérez is one of the last remaining fugitives from a past criminal generation?
    • ALT2:... that Mexican soldier Jorge López Pérez is wanted for high treason but remains a fugitive since 2003?
  • Reviewed: Pending
  • Comment: Most sources are in Spanish; translation of text available upon request.

Created by MX (talk). Self-nominated at 18:38, 10 December 2019 (UTC).

Overall: Symbol question.svg Great new article! buidhe 21:59, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 11[edit]

Mariam Salpeter

Created by Jesswade88 (talk). Nominated by Achaea (talk) at 22:06, 14 December 2019 (UTC).

Megan Fisher

  • Reviewed: TBD

Created by HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk). Self-nominated at 19:40, 12 December 2019 (UTC).

History of Grand Central Terminal

Improved to Good Article status by Epicgenius (talk), (talk), and PointsofNoReturn (talk). Nominated by Epicgenius (talk) at 14:49, 11 December 2019 (UTC).

  • To be honest, I might want to try my hand writing hooks for this after work today. There's a lot more obscure secrets and wacky events that have taken place more than what's included here. ɱ (talk) 16:03, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Wei Xinghua

Created by Zanhe (talk). Self-nominated at 10:11, 11 December 2019 (UTC).

Jürgen Hinzpeter

5x expanded by Jirangmoon (talk). Self-nominated at 09:08, 11 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The expansion is new enough but falls a little short of a five-fold expansion. Mackensen (talk) 00:50, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Chelsea McClammer

McClammer in 2013
McClammer in 2013

Created by HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk). Self-nominated at 06:33, 11 December 2019 (UTC).

Bella Jarrett

Created by SL93 (talk). Self-nominated at 05:57, 11 December 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on December 12[edit]

Gao Yubao

  • ... that despite being nearly illiterate, Chinese soldier Gao Yubao wrote an autobiographical novel with more than six million copies printed, with the help of a ghostwriter? Source: Modern Chinese Literature and multiple Chinese sources cited inline.
    • ALT1:... that Gao Yubao's autobiographical novel made the semi-fictionalized "Zhou the Flayer" one of the most famous evil landlords in Communist China? Source: The Killing Wind and multiple Chinese sources cited inline.

Created by Zanhe (talk). Self-nominated at 01:24, 13 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is new enough and long enough. It is within policy, with no copyright violations that I can detect. It is appropriately sourced. QPQ complete. I find the original hook really interesting, but I'm doubtful of its accuracy; everyone is illiterate before they begin to learn to read and write. If Gao learned before he wrote, then surely he was no longer illiterate when writing the book? Could you tweak the hook to perhaps say that he was illiterate until adulthood? Vanamonde (Talk) 13:15, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Shire Oak (Headingley)

The stump of the Shire Oak, 1897
The stump of the Shire Oak, 1897
  • ... that the Skyrack wapentake may have met at and derived its name from the Shire Oak (pictured)? "it is believed to have become the meeting place of the Skyrack WWapentake ... the term "skyrack" may have dervived from "shire oak" as it was customary for a wapentake to be named after its meeting place" from: Hight, Julian (2011). Britain's Tree Story. London: National Trust. p. 30. ISBN 978-1-907892-20-2.
    • ALT1:... that the Original Oak and Skyrack pubs were named after the nearby Shire Oak (pictured)? "the tree gave its name to two pubs opposite the church, namely the Skyrack and the Original Oak" from: Hight, Julian (2011). Britain's Tree Story. London: National Trust. p. 30. ISBN 978-1-907892-20-2.
    • ALT2:... that after the ancient Shire Oak (pictured) fell in 1941 part of it was carved into an image of the Madonna and child for a local church? "On 26 May 1941, the ancient stump collapsed during a ferocious gale and was later removed. However, a section was saved and was carved into a likeness of the Madonna and Child. It can not be seen in the Lady Chapel of nearby St Michael's Church" from: Hight, Julian (2011). Britain's Tree Story. London: National Trust. p. 30. ISBN 978-1-907892-20-2.

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 20:55, 12 December 2019 (UTC).

Guizhou clique

Moved to mainspace by Roniius (talk). Self-nominated at 03:50, 13 December 2019 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Date, size, refs, neutrality, copyvio spotcheck, all good. First hook is too generic, but second one is interesting. The article needs a bit more attention to inline citations, I've marked a bunch of sentences with 'cite needed'. Waiting for QPQ review. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:11, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 13[edit]

Eureka Iron & Steel Works

    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Created by Doug Coldwell (talk). Self-nominated at 17:58, 13 December 2019 (UTC).

Dehenna Davison

  • Reviewed: pending

Created by Cowlibob (talk) and Miraclepine (talk). Nominated by Cowlibob (talk) at 16:01, 13 December 2019 (UTC).

R. Carlos Nakai

  • Reviewed: Gao Yubao
  • Comment: Hook suggestions are welcome, as always

Improved to Good Article status by Vanamonde93 (talk). Self-nominated at 13:07, 13 December 2019 (UTC).

Lori Verderame

  • ... that Dr. Lori became an antiques appraiser to help educate sellers after she met a woman who sold George Washington's 1799 obituary to another appraiser for $50, only for it to be resold at $50,000?
    1. Source: "After years of teaching in classrooms and museums, Verderame decided to start appraising antiques after an unexpected encounter with a 75-year old-woman. 'This woman told me her story. She had recently sold a historic George Washington document for $50 that was worth $50,000! She said she needed the $50 to pay her electric bill. When I met her, I thought, this woman could be my mother—anyone could make that mistake.' Now, Verderame says, 'My goal is just to teach people the value of what they have and for them to learn what everyone else has.'" (McLoughlin 2012.)
    2. Source: "It was an older woman who inspired her to become an antiques appraiser. While working as a museum curator, Verderame met a 75-year-old woman who needed to pay her bills and sold a historic George Washington document for $50 to a dealer. The document was actually worth $50,000. When Verderame spoke to people in the appraisal business about the incident, they told her, 'That's just business.' 'When I met her I thought, "This woman could be my mother,"' she said. 'Anyone could make that mistake.' Determined to educate people on the value of their possessions, Verderame began teaching the public about antiques." (PSN 2012.)
    3. Source: "It was a 75-year-old woman who was taken to the cleaners. When she showed one appraiser a document dating back to George Washington, he offered her $50. She took it. After all, she needed $50 to keep her electricity from being turned off. Verderame followed the document and found out that the appraiser had sold it for $50,000. Nothing could be done. In fact, other appraisers told Verderame that it was the elderly woman’s fault. 'She should have known better,' they said. But what Verderame was thinking was: 'That could have been my mother.'" (Kerns 2013.)
    4. Source: "After years teaching in university classrooms and working as a museum director, I was inspired to start appraising antiques after I met a perfect stranger. She was a 75-year-old woman who had sold an historic George Washington document for $50 that was worth $50,000! When I met her, I thought, this woman could be my mother—anyone could make that mistake. That woman's mistake inspired me to share my education and expertise with America." (Wilkinson 2014.)
    5. Source: "Dr. Lori says her career in appraising began after talking to a woman who'd been conned out of $50,000 from an appraiser. That's when she knew she wanted to be an appraiser, and do it in an honest way." (Garrison 2018.)
    6. Source: "It started more than two decades ago when she was a professor and museum curator in Pennsylvania. A 75-year-old woman visited her and said she sold a family heirloom, an old newspaper, to someone for $50 so she could pay her electric bill. Dr. Lori discovered the woman had sold the original obituary from 1799 of the 'Father of Our Country,' George Washington. The woman was related to Washington. After some research, Dr. Lori learned that the person who bought the obituary for $50 later sold it to a museum for $50,000. After that incident, Dr. Lori said she decided, 'I'm going to teach regular America what they have and what it's really worth.'" (James 2018.)
    7. Source: "She recalled a senior citizen who had sold an old newspaper to an appraiser for $50 and it was worth $50,000. She said that woman may have needed the money for health care or food or other living essentials and Dr. Lori doesn't want that to happen again." (Klimovich Harrop 2019.)
  • Comment: I'd like to get a DYK for this article I've just overhauled if possible, and this seems like probably the most interesting one that can stand pulled out of context. "Dr. Lori" is her stage/television name, as stated in the article, like Dr. Oz or Dr. Phil. — the Man in Question (in question)

5x expanded by The Man in Question (talk). Self-nominated at 10:09, 13 December 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on December 14[edit]

Albert Flynn

  • ... that Albert Flynn, director of the British Army's accounts, wrote about an alien invasion of the Earth?
    • ALT1:... that ...?
  • Reviewed: To be done
5x expansion from 14 Dec.

Created by Philafrenzy (talk) and Whispyhistory (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 00:48, 15 December 2019 (UTC).

WMJX (Miami)

Created by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 00:39, 15 December 2019 (UTC).

Whittington Tump

Whittington Tump
Whittington Tump

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 21:11, 14 December 2019 (UTC).

Shailaja Acharya

5x expanded by Usedtobecool (talk). Self-nominated at 12:52, 14 December 2019 (UTC).

The Marine Cemetery

  • Reviewed: pending
  • Comment: Article may require some copyediting

Created by Nizil Shah (talk). Self-nominated at 07:06, 14 December 2019 (UTC).

William Francis Clarke

William Francis Clarke
William Francis Clarke
  • ... that as pastor of a Catholic church in Baltimore, William Francis Clarke (pictured) worked to integrate black and Italian Catholics into parish life? Source: "He also introduced into the parish the colored Oblate Sisters of Providence, gave them a house, and started a school under their direction. Previous to the arrival of the sisters he had founded a sodality for colored people, which was the first of its kind in the archdiocese...The servers for BenediCtion were little colored boys. Special services for Italians were given, during which a sermon was preached in their own language by Father Clarke's assistant, Father Vicinanza, S. J. This seems to have been the first religious ·service in the archdiocese for Italians exclusively. " ("Obituary: Fr. William F. Clarke", p. 127)

Created by Ergo Sum (talk). Self-nominated at 06:19, 14 December 2019 (UTC).

Our Colors

Created by Morgan695 (talk). Self-nominated at 02:56, 14 December 2019 (UTC).


  • ... that tamagoyaki is made with rectangular pans (pictured)? Source: "Japanese omeletes are made in a square or rectangular pan called a tamago yaki nabe." (Andoh 2012, p.81)
    • ALT1:... that professional makiyakinabe pans (pictured) are made with copper and lined with tin? Source: "Most Japanese food professionals use a tin-lined copper omelet pan measuring about 6 by 10 inches." (Andoh 2012, p.81)

Improved to Good Article status by Kamakou (talk) and Valereee (talk). Nominated by Kamakou (talk) at 02:09, 14 December 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on December 15[edit]

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