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1. Was Manhattan Island really bought for a very small amount of currency (be it $24, one string of wampum, etc.)? No. Charles Gehring, Director of the New Netherland Project, explains this myth in a video (skip ahead to 3:03) by the New York State Museum. In it, he says, "This is one of the biggest myths...pure fabrication. It says in the records that it was 60 guilders worth of goods. 60 guilders worth of goods would have been a lot of hard goods that the Indians couldn't produce themselves. You couldn't place a price on the...things that they were unable to make, the things they didn't have the technology for. The $24 figure was attached to the document when it was translated in the 1880s. The translators looked up the rate of exchange at the time and 60 guilders was $24. Nobody has ever even adjusted that for inflation over the years, so you not only have an incorrect rate of exchange, but the whole idea of what 60 guilders would have been worth to the Indians at the time is totally wrong." Keepin' it real: The greatest deal in history never actually was. 2. Why is New York City classified as having a humid subtropical climate? According to NOAA's 1981–2010 normals, Central Park in Manhattan has a January daily average temperature of 32.6 °F (0.3 °C) and in July, this figure is 76.5 °F (24.7 °C). This, in combination with its generous annual precipitation of 49.9 inches (1,270 mm) means the city itself falls under the humid subtropical regime of the Köppen climate classification (see this map). Locations in this regime in general do not have winter snow cover that is reliable enough to augment cold air masses; the "subtropical" designator is only part of the climate type's name and does not mean that the city (or the surrounding region) is in the subtropics, nor that winters here are mild. |
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Where is the article on City finances?[edit]
One of the biggest deals in the City is its budget. The City has had a rocky history with multiple major financial crises in the nineteenth century, during the Great Depression and in the mid 1970s. How could these facts be excluded? DCDuring (talk) 00:03, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
- I’m sure we can find someone to create a section on it, maybe with a nice sprinkling of extraneous information for our readers. Seasider53 (talk) 01:17, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Seasider53 Why aren't finances part of the standard layout of municipal articles? 24.164.189.229 (talk) 01:30, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
- DCDuring, you are correct about this odd omission. I am attempting to add an appropriately concise summary of the city's mid-1970s fiscal crisis. Whatever is added, rest assured that the usual pack of hyenas, sharks and vultures will circle around to nitpick the details of a major part of the city's history into nothingness, with the usual pedantic mentions of irrelevant essays and demands that the material should appear somewhere else and / or be condensed into seven words or fewer. Alansohn (talk) 17:18, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
- I hope not, though that is what drove me away from other than minor contributions (eg, redirects) at WP. I was actually looking for a model for material on finances in my NYS city. To the he loving devotion to politicians and elections we could add a simple factual discussion of budgets, debt, and taxes, updated annually if possible or to match election cycles. DCDuring (talk) 18:34, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
- Did you look in Government of New York City? If not there, feel free to add to it. On expanding the top level article, see WP:Article size and WP:Summary. Alanscottwalker (talk) 19:23, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
- I hope not, though that is what drove me away from other than minor contributions (eg, redirects) at WP. I was actually looking for a model for material on finances in my NYS city. To the he loving devotion to politicians and elections we could add a simple factual discussion of budgets, debt, and taxes, updated annually if possible or to match election cycles. DCDuring (talk) 18:34, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
Overview[edit]
I was going to retract my comment about what I thought was too many examples after the few instances of "including" in the article (such as hospitals), since it was fine on my subsequent readings of the article, but it's just been archived. The article is in very good shape as it stands – by my eyes, at least. Reading how the city is the biggest and best in seemingly every category got very repetitive quickly, but I don't think there's any way around that. Seasider53 (talk) 02:06, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
- Or how about just removing them? NYC is worse than Boston in terms of top universities for example. It is cringe inducing to read, honestly. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 08:59, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
- I mean, I understand it helps highlight NYC's stature, but listing so many of them diminishes the point of having them at all. Good luck to whoever wants to fight that battle though. Seasider53 (talk) 18:40, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
- I'm just gonna boldly remove these qualifiers. There is a person who reverts any deletion of these sorts on-sight, but I won't tell who they are. If that person reverts my edit, you would know who am I talking about. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 03:06, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
- Got ya. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 06:16, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
- I'm just gonna boldly remove these qualifiers. There is a person who reverts any deletion of these sorts on-sight, but I won't tell who they are. If that person reverts my edit, you would know who am I talking about. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 03:06, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
- I mean, I understand it helps highlight NYC's stature, but listing so many of them diminishes the point of having them at all. Good luck to whoever wants to fight that battle though. Seasider53 (talk) 18:40, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
Invitation[edit]
There is a move discussion at Talk:New York (state). Toadette (Let's discuss together!) 21:25, 24 March 2024 (UTC)