Talk:Masturbation

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Negative effects[edit]

According to Dr. Trish Leigh if you masturbate more than 2-7 times a week it is compulsive . it creates negative effects. It causes an increased risk of prostate cancer . This cites a study from Nottingham. The other problem is that can be addictive. The negative effects is that it can cause a dopamine dependency. Masturbation causes a rush of dopamine in the brain, “Flood State” or “Dopamine Deluge “ this causes dependency. The memory loss is based on the dopamine flood state, this knocks out the frontal lobe. Causes brain fog. source : How to quit masturbation Leigh, Trish , 14 Mar. 2022 184.170.66.130 (talk) 15:45, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done You have not presented any verification from appropriate medical reliable sources. The source to which you allude, How to Quit Masturbation w/ Dr. Trish Leigh on YouTube, cites no sources itself & seems to be an infomercial directing people to Leigh's website, drtrishleigh.com. Peaceray (talk) 16:25, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is not a forum. Discuss this on some other website. Dennis Brown 2¢ 07:50, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Watch her YouTube channel she is establishing a new neuroscience consensus on porn that it damages the brain 159.230.155.72 (talk) 17:12, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"she is establishing a new neuroscience consensus on porn"—AFAIK she isn't even a scientific researcher, so it is not up to her to decide the scientific consensus. Instead, DSM-5-TR did establish the scientific consensus in psychiatry.
She is a non-tenured teaching aid for a faculty, and I would like to know if she ever published research indexed for MEDLINE.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=leigh+pornography shows 0 (zero, naught) papers.
The only medical/psychological research paper she ever published seems to be https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21987927/#full-view-affiliation-1 tgeorgescu (talk) 17:48, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What about her YouTube channel 159.230.210.254 (talk) 17:51, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
YouTube is not WP:RS. She only published once and that was 13 years ago—so she is definitely not a scientist or even a scholar.
She is neither Preston nor Nigel, so Leigh P.J. and Leigh P.N. aren't her.
So, she is not qualified to make WP:RS/AC claims for Wikipedia, and even if she were, her claim is not published inside a WP:RS (the conditions from WP:MEDRS apply).
Other grounds for rejecting her claim are explained at WP:GEVAL, WP:REDFLAG, and WP:FRINGE.
So even if she claims that she is a "neuroscientist", judging by publish or perish she isn't a scientist at all, thus not a neuroscientist, either.
Just because a person who had an academic education publishes something upon YouTube, that does not make her view acceptable for making medical claims inside Wikipedia.
And let's not forget: the published evidence about ejaculation and cancer is at best a mixed bag, at worst inconclusive. Experts have suggested to refrain from speculating whether masturbation prevents or causes cancer, since the confounder is the natural (personal) level of hormones. tgeorgescu (talk) 21:07, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Then deal with her YouTube channel it has 900 videos and 23 million views. She has videos that can cure ED. She discuss how to rewire the brain to fix porn’s effects 159.230.210.254 (talk) 23:24, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Whatever. We have WP:RULES such as WP:MEDRS. Take promoting her YouTube channel elsewhere.
Her claim "to fix porn’s effects" is the same as the claim of chiropractors to heal lots of diseases through manipulating the spine: both are quackery.
See Jimmy Wales's official reply at WP:LUNATICS.
Something which you will hear from any sex therapist worth his salt: masturbation is psychologically normal and medically healthy.
Porn addiction is neither in DSM-5, nor in DSM-5-TR, nor in ICD-10, nor in ICD-11. Same applies to masturbation addiction. These are two bogus medical diagnoses. Treating people for any of these two diagnoses is a crime.
There isn't any rational reason for quitting masturbation. Meaning accepted by the reality-based community. tgeorgescu (talk) 00:37, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
“Semen retention is it good for you “
”nofap lifestyle is it worth it?” 159.230.211.89 (talk) 00:31, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, and no. CodeTalker (talk) 00:41, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Semen retention is difficult to research, and lacks biological plausibility. Why is it difficult to research? Because people can claim they practice semen retention without actually doing it. They either ejaculate sometimes or the sperm is sent to the urinary bladder, and then they piss it out without noticing it. So, yeah, medical researchers have no secure way of distinguishing between real sperm retainers and fake ones. Technically, it could be known, but the effort and therefore the cost of the research would be prohibitively high: making people ejaculate for research is easy, taking care they actually retain sperm would be very invasive to their private life, and very expensive to check. Alchemical transmutation of sperm simply does not exist, according to mainstream science. There are Ancient myths about it, and that's it. There is also the Dhat syndrome which is somewhere between hypochondria and psychosomatic illness. Basically, it happens because people are terrified (culturally, religiously) of losing sperm, i.e. they live under psychological terror.
NoFap is self-therapy for a self-diagnosed condition with a diagnosis that is not recognized by the medical profession and a treatment that appears to be fanciful (the reboot). Often they talk psychiatric patients into not taking their pills, and hope to be healed instead through not masturbating (an idea which looks like delirium). So, of course, if medicines were the cause of their erectile dysfunctions, they recover their erections, but relapse in mental illness. Nicole Prause claims that the guru of the NoFap has committed suicide; and least this is what she understood from his lawyer. Anyway, the cause of his death is shrouded in mystery. She also claims that many accounts which were viciously attacking her online went silent the day he died (and remained silent since then). He had stated in the press he uses karezza to heal his alcoholism and depression. That's at least a hint that it's foolish to treat severe psychiatric illness through semen retention. tgeorgescu (talk) 03:50, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Responding to tgeorgescu's comments: as someone who practices relaxing the PC muscle to prolong sexual pleasure, much of what I could offer here would be original research. Often I do not ejaculate, but that does not mean I do not experience profound sensation. I do not do so for religious reasons. I personally find NoFap abhorrent, & I believe claims that semen retention would cure illnesses to be absurd. I simply do my sexual relaxation practice because I want to feel my pleasure longer.
That said, I do take exception to the supposition that this cannot be tested. Disregarding one's belief about female ejaculation, I think that we can agree that most women do not ejaculate, yet there seem to be a plethora of studies about the female orgasm. I think that it is an error to suggest that male pleasure cannot be measured in much the same way. I use "male pleasure" instead of "orgasm" here because many medical sources equate orgasm & ejaculation. However, in both women & men, I think that there is a lot that could be tested without focusing on measuring contractions. Heart rate & chest blush are two of the more obvious, but I suspect that other techniques for measuring women's physiological response could be applied to men. The experience of coitus reservatus should be measurably different than delayed ejaculation.
I think this is not a question of experimental expense so much as willingness. Exploring sexual pleasure seems to remain a powerful societal taboo, & I suspect that it is hard to get grants to study it. I, for one, would welcome reliable medical sources on this. Medical research is far from my expertise, so I would ask anyone who knows of such studies (or better yet, surveys of the literature) to please list such citations. Peaceray (talk) 07:25, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Under the section regarding Male Masturbation, why do you assume the reader is circumcised?[edit]

Instead of making such assumption, you could explain both ways. Thank you. 173.95.25.211 (talk) 17:01, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see anything that assumes that. The content given seems to apply to both situations. signed, Willondon (talk) 17:44, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Images or videos[edit]

This article should have videos, or photos, of a man and a woman masturbating, instead of drawings. Videos are better, but photos are better than drawings. AnnaFriendly2346 (talk) 15:50, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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