Talk:Kollel

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Missing the History of Kollelim[edit]

The history of Kollelim in the Holy land which where supported by the European Jewery, divided by Regions is Missing. One should fill in correct histroy about Polish Kollel, Hongarian, Zibnbirgen, etc.

Etymology[edit]

The word "kollel" seems to me to be the same as the English word "college". Is it an old Hebrew word or did it come into Hebrew from a Germanic source, perhaps via Yiddish? Roger (talk) 14:24, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, but this is not true. Kollel is a known Hebrew word with the definition explained at Kollel (disambiguation).HagiMalachi (talk) 18:27, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You're not really answering my question. Maybe "College" came into English from Hebrew (via Latin "Collegium" of course) The similarity is just too close for there to be no relationship at all! Roger (talk) 22:32, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's unlikely. The word "Kollel" came into use in its current sense only a few hundred years ago, I believe. My Latin is for all intents and purposes nonexistent, but still, I can't see Latin over the past few hundred years borrowing words from Hebrew. These two words happen to have some phonetic similarity but share no common linguistic ground. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.68.53.243 (talk) 11:39, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Listing of Kollel's[edit]

perhaps putting up an extensive list of kollels around the world is in order? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Waky02 (talk • contribs) 11:15, 5 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

-) there's literally thousands, with new small ones each day. Perhaps a list could be made of the more established and/or noteworthy ones, but maybe that would be a security risk??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.110.57.234 (talk) 18:55, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Requested move 09 July 2014[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move per request, based on none of the discussion below. What one dictionary says is meager evidence, and we should give very little weight to a raw Google web search, which does not tend to concentrate reliable sources, nor is anecdotal evidence swaying proof. We do attempt to see what a preponderance of reliable English language sources use. Here, the results of a targeted Google Books search indicates that Kolel is significantly more common in reliable English language sources.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:24, 16 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Kollel → Kolel – correct spelling according to Webster's Third New International Dictionary, unabridged (1986) ISBN 0-87779-201-1 page 1254. -- -- -- 23:04, 9 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Survey[edit]

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  • Support, because that's the way I've seen it in old texts like the Jewish Encyclopedia and also on old signs around Jerusalem (where whole neighborhoods were built by kolels). On Google, however, it looks like Kollel gets twice as many ghits as Kolel. Yoninah (talk) 19:14, 10 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • I don't think it makes any sense to give Google more credence than Webster's Dictionary. -- -- -- 22:30, 10 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Any additional comments:
  • That depends on how closely you transcribe the pointed Hebrew spelling, if the first ל has a dagesh. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:00, 10 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • No. The ל does not have a dagesh. -- -- -- 22:24, 10 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Unrequested move 03/June/16[edit]

@Sir Joseph: Sorry for pinging you, but you should at least comment here before reverting a decision decided upon previously by other Wikipedia editors. Have a good שבת

-- -- -- 21:24, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but I honestly forgot to check. But, I still stand with my move. The common spelling among the people is kollel. Indeed, that is the word used in most of the kollelim I checked. Sir Joseph (talk) 21:51, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
And how would you respond to the claim of Fuhghettaboutit (talk · contribs) above that Kolel is significantly more common in reliable English language sources? -- -- -- 19:01, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Firstly, scholar.google.com shows more for kollel, when it means kollel and not a person's name, etc. Second, ghits shows more for kollel, which in turn also shows that common usage is for kollel. Indeed, http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-life-and-religion/133643/lakewood-redefining-orthodoxy shows that kollel is far more prevalent in COMMON usage. The people using the term, use kollel and that would be what the average person uses when searching. Sir Joseph (talk) 19:09, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The only time I've seen it spelled kolel is in scholarly (secular) books. I think Sir Joseph has made the right move here, also including both spellings in the lead. Yoninah (talk) 20:48, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I think the name should be changed to "Kollel Avreichim"[edit]

The page name in Hebrew is also כולל אברכים. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Masterofnone1 (talk • contribs) 20:21, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

We're not the Hebrew Wikipedia. Most English speakers don't use Kollel Avreichim, they just use Kollel. Sir Joseph (talk) 21:27, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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