Talk:Diriliş: Ertuğrul

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The last column have no title, what should it be? Also, the source is wrong. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:46, 10 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Regarding the table containing the list of characters: 1) To make it easier to locate a specific name, the listing of names in the table should be in alphabetical order. 2) Because the subject of the article is the story being portrayed, perhaps the first column should be the name of the character portrayed, with the second column containing the name of the actor who portrays the character. Cosmo1976 (talk) 10:02, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Turkish TV's new-found love for all things Ottoman may be good for something. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:00, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

What do these numbers mean? The reference is a Turkish-language Twitter account which I cannot easily search. 76.119.114.192 (talk) 20:52, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

1000 out of 1000 stars 49.14.162.86 (talk) 23:57, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Try dividing the plot into sections "per season". And possibly more paragraphs. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:50, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Could be a useful source. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:27, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Can we please collapse this section? I's annoyingly long. As is the season 5 section, who is going to read that? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:57, 11 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång changed my edit after i removed a controversial and childish statement from Reception and put my part with tons of RS — Preceding unsigned comment added by Truthwins018 (talk • contribs) 11:38, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Edits in question:[1][2]

Hello Truthwins018, and welcome to the interesting world of WP.

Previous version:

Journalist Aimun Faisal writes in Dawn that "[Esra Bilgiç] was the ultimate Pakistani, male fantasy. A miracle happened and she became real. Now Pakistani men do not know how to deal with the paradox of the dichotomy their misogyny had created.".^[1] On social media, Bilgiç was lectured by Pakistani fans on the subject of religion.^[2]

Current, "your" version:

.The show received almost instant fame, mostly due to it reviving islamic message and also due to Pakistan Turk friendship. The channel TRT ertugrul by ptv^[3] might even break world record for most subscribers in one month and ptv news is quoted as " The current record is 6.6 million and the channel Ertugrul Ghazi can beat that with your love! We have 15 days to make history^[4]" with currently going strong at 3.7million subscribers in 24 days. Following the reception Turkish actress Esra, who essays the role of Halime Sultan, said “I’m waiting excitedly to meet you all in Pakistan after this period.^[5] followed by Engin Altan (who plays the role of ertugrul) who expressed his wish to visit Pakistan soon to meet his fans^[6] followed by Cengiz Coskun^[7] who plays Turgut in the series and Turkish actor Cavit Çetin Güner who featured in famous historical drama series Ertugrul as ‘Dogan Alp’, has announced that he will visit Pakistan soon. In a video, he stated that Pakistan is his 'second home.' ^[8] and much of the cast

My opinion: The stuff you removed is not childish, controversial is a matter of opinion. It's an interesting part of the topic, and the sources are quite decent. The text you introduced comes across as WP:PROMO, we are not here to sell the tv-series. "might even break world record" and "currently going strong" is not WP-language, and you have no source for "The show received almost instant fame". The message from Esra Bilgiç may also deserve inclusion, we'll see if other editors have opinions. There is no reason to write "featured in famous historical drama series Ertugrul" in this part of the article, and your text has other errors with punctuation etc. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:51, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång Thanks for notifying me on the errors and i would i working on them. I am willing to remove the part which you claim is promotion although i am only quoting the truth, it actually has that much subscribers and i can even cite the message by the ertugrul official team on instagram and many articles . I cannot consider dnd as a reliable source. I think it targets a specific community cause i have also come across other communities targeting her and not just a specific, as this also seems as an opinion to frame a specific community. I will remove the quotes without source but i also believe that the removed statements about the Pakistani men should not be included cause it is Pakistan where the show received its most fame. Truthwins018 (talk) 01:31, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Basically, your Dawn cite is generally fine to use, but the Youtube page itself is pretty useless for WP-purposes. Don't bother with instagram and such, (see WP:RSPYT and WP:TWITTER), aim at summarizing good newssources. If something is worth quoting (like Khan), make it clear what you are quoting, in-text. Otherwise, summarize in your own words. What is a good source depends on context, and I have no opinion on the dnd source, it looked ok to me. We can do without it, there's other sources. I'll attempt a re-write. That the show is popular in Pakistan is no reason to exclude the Bilgic-religion-stuff, there's good sources that write about it. Btw, I thought this show "received its most fame" in Turkey? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:22, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, new current version:

The show is popular in Pakistan, partly aided by COVID-19 pandemic quarantine. According to PTV News, their Youtube channel for the series had more than a million subscribers in May.^[9] Several of the actors expressed gratitude for the attention from Pakistani fans, Engin Altan Düzyatan and Esra Bilgiç adding that they would like to visit the country.^[10][11] Bilgiç also received negative attention from Pakistani fans on social media, who critisized her behaviour outside the series as morally lacking.^[12][13][14] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:11, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång i assume it received more views on the pakistani dubbed version than the turkish one itself. I just made a general overview so that it can be sorted out later so that's why i was a bit messy. I still wouldn't completely agree on terming the criticism on one particular community as many turkish and indians were also criticizing her but majority of it is fineTruthwins018 (talk) 19:27, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note however, that the paragraph we are currently editing is about Pakistan. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:12, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

More disagreement (pinging USaamo): [3]

IMO this text

Bilgiç also received negative attention from Pakistani fans on social media, who critisized her behaviour outside the series as morally lacking.^[15][16][17] Other castmembers have also been affected.^[18]

Is in WP:PROPORTION due the sources used, and there are more. Also the above edit has hints of WP:PUFFERY, and youtube numbers should not be cited to youtube, if no decent secondary source bothered to mention them they are not interesting to include. See also MOS:DATED. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:25, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Since noone has commented for a few days, I'm choosing to reinsert this, will also add an additional ref. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:55, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:09, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång Your version is largely fine now after all the sources but i would still propose changing Pakistani fans to just Fans in general cause they are criticized by people of many countries. Its just that those countries didnot write articles about itTruthwins018 (talk) 00:21, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That's WP for you. We summarize the WP:RS we have, that limits our scope for good and bad. But the internet is bigger than WP. More good sources may appear in time. Btw, this Al Jazeera article [4] was pretty good. I'd like to see one by Haaretz. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:44, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The said content's relevance here needed to be established. This is not about the series but about the actors' behaviour and personal life outside the series. Wikipedia:Relevance WP:RELE USaamo ^(t@lk) 09:39, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It is about fan reaction to the series. For example, the Al Jazeera article is about the series/the reactions it caused, and this is part of the topic. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:51, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It's not fan reaction to the series but to be precise It's fan's reaction to the actress' lifestyle and behaviour which is outside the series. Her pictures which she uploaded on instagram got such comments which were about her own personality. How come this be reception to series? USaamo ^(t@lk) 12:03, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Per the sources, it's obviously fanreaction to the series. And well-sourced such. We'll have to hope for more input from other editors. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:54, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I would agree with User: USaamo here cause her criticism was not on her moral image in the show but outside of the show. The criticism has nothing to do with her dressing or anything she portrayed in the show Truthwins018 (talk) 19:11, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with USaamo. What the cast do in their personal life is irrelevant to the show. The criticism of the cast doesn't have anything to do with the content of show. Joelaroche (talk) 06:28, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

[5] says 179. imdb [6] agrees.

List of Diriliş: Ertuğrul episodes disagrees. Diriliş:_Ertuğrul#Episodes really disagrees. Anyone care to sort this out? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:28, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sikander Teavannaa or anyone else, can you help me understand why the episodes are counted so differently at tvguide.com, compared to this, imdb and this article? Was it somehow re-cut or something at some point? And how should we deal with it in article-space? tvguide gives 2 numbers per episode for season 2, none of which rhymes with a total of 179. imdb isn't highly thought of as a ref on WP, but counting the number of episode in a tv-series is one thing I expect them to do right. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:59, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

AHA!!! So, give both counts in the article? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:36, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gråbergs Gråa Sång I think we should go with the *official Turkish TRT* broadcast, which was 150 2+ hour long total episodes (S1 - 26, S2 - 35, S3 - 30, S4 - 30, and S5 - 29). Also, the source cited that says 179 is inaccurate - that's an error, for sure. There are 448 total episodes on Netflix, with each 2+ hour long original broadcast roughly divided into 4 parts across each season! Teavannaa (talk) 03:46, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Just had a look at where the 179 came from, and it's from IMDB and its totally messed up episode numbering. If you look at IMDB's list for the 5th season, it correctly labels 150 as the "finale" about halfway down the page, then suddenly skips back to season 1-3 episodes for non-existent 151 and beyond. Also, the summaries for each episode are completely wrong for all of season 5 (at least; I haven't checked the other seasons but they're likely messed up as well) and are actually from previous seasons. I have no idea how that all got so messed up, and unfortunately I don't have access to IMDB so I can't help fix it! Teavannaa (talk) 06:58, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I like what you did. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:10, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: Yes, I think Netflix did the same with Money Heist. // sikander { talk } 🦖 21:58, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Add Busra Cubukcuoglu in characters Saadshabbir735 (talk) 02:57, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Please also explain how this is relevant encyclopedic content. Thanks, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 03:33, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Y Done!

USaamo ^(t@lk) 10:41, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Plz I need to edit info is wrong Sakina1214 (talk) 19:07, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Sakina1214: would you please specify which info is wrong that you want to change? USaamo ^(t@lk) 10:48, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kindly add death of Aykiz in 2nd season description. Sakina1214 (talk) 13:37, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Sakina1214: Well you've given me a spoiler for the season. Since I haven't watched 2nd season so don't exactly know where to add that. I encourage you to make the said change in the section. As you are autoconfirmed user now so you can edit this semi-protected page. Go ahead, be bold!

For any assistance ping me any time, here or on my talkpage. Regards USaamo ^(t@lk) 15:44, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Sorry for the spoiler. Sakina1214 (talk) 07:59, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Any comment on if this [7] has any connection to reality? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:19, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gråbergs Gråa Sång, It's some attention seeking kid that been adding their name all over the place for a while.

Revert as vandalism when you see that name. Ravensfire (talk) 14:58, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Got it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:16, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And IP's who are removing other peoples comments [8][9][10], stop doing that, please. If there's problem, talk on this page. Courtesy-ping to Ravensfire. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:21, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, i want to tell you that, this name can also find on other Urdu televisions, many times, by multiple anonymous IPs (maybe controlled by one person). Linguafocus (talk) 18:31, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Linguafocus: I have warned the above mentioned IP user, do the same if you've seen it anywhere so that all those IPs be known for disruption. USaamo ^(t@lk) 15:59, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Balolay, [11] You got it the wrong way around. The WP:LEAD is a summary of the body. If there is nothing in the body to summarize, it's not in the lead, and just duplicating text is not good writing. This is very basic WP-structure. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:21, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Season 1 Seeking to solve the unrest, Suleyman Shah sends his son Ertuğrul on a mission to find a new place for the nomad group to settle. He specifically sends Ertuğrul and his three best alps (Turgut, Bamsi and Doĝan) to seek an agreement with the Sultan of Aleppo, El Aziz. This angers Ertuğrul's half-brother, Gündoğdu, as settling the tribe in Aleppo was his idea. Before leaving for Aleppo, Ertuğrul saves Halime Sultan and her father and brother from the Templars. Halime Sultan refuses to reveal her true identity initially, but the Kayi tribe eventually find out that Halime Sultan's father is the brother of Sultan Alâeddin Keykûbad, the Sultan of the Seljuk Empire, and thus a prince. Ertuğrul and Halime Sultan fall in love. Ertuğrul successfully makes an agreement with El Aziz, and his tribe settles in Aleppo. However, El Aziz is surrounded by secret agents working for the Templars. They convince him to execute his uncle and break his agreement with Ertuğrul. El Aziz, who is not the most clever ruler, falls in love with Halime Sultan and tries to force her to become his wife when he finds out her true identity. Ertuğrul works tirelessly to show El Aziz the Truth, but El Aziz is only convinced when his soldiers disobey his orders and attempt to kill him.

Turgut, one of Ertuğrul's closest friends and strongest alps, and Yiğit (Halime Sultan's younger brother) are captured by the Templars and taken to their castle. While Turgut is tortured senseless in the dungeon, Yiğit is taken into the castle and treated like royalty. Turgut is made to drink a drug everyday, to which he becomes addicted. This drug also makes Turgut's mind muddled, and he begins to believe that he is aligned with the Templars, and not with the Kayi Tribe. The only thing that grounds him to reality is his relationship with Aykiz, the girl he wants to marry. The Templars train Turgut to fight for their side, and even when Turgut is returned to the Kayi tribe, they are able to continue giving him the drug through their secret allies in the tribe. Aykiz works tirelessly to heal Turgut, which eventually works. They eventually are able to marry.

The Templars additionally plan to use Yiğit to take over Sultan Alâeddin Keykûbad's throne, as Yiğit will give them legitimacy. Although Yiğit is just a small boy, he sees through their schemes. He is befriended by Isadora, the niece of the head Templar, Petruccio Manzini. Although her uncle is evil, Isadora is a sincere Christian and hates her uncle for killing her sister and imprisoning her father because he converted to Islam. Isadora leaves the Templar's castle to give the Kayi tribe important information about how to infiltrate the castle and defeat her uncle. She is found out, and her uncle orders her to be imprisoned and killed for her treachery. Before the guards can take her, Isadora stabs her uncle with a poisoned dagger. Isadora is murdered in the dungeons by her uncle's command. Petruccio becomes gravely ill. Titus takes over as the leader of the Templars. Petruccio is eventually executed when the Templar castle is conquered by the Kayi Tribe.

Gündoğdu struggles with the lies within the tribe. Gündoğdu's wife, Selcan, plots her revenge against Süleyman Shah, who sentenced her father to death for treason against their tribe when she was seven years old. Although Süleyman Shah raised Selcan and her sister Gökçe as his adoptive daughters after, Selcan still harbors resentment in her heart. She even works together with Kurdoğulu, Süleyman Shah's brother, to plot the demise of Süleyman Shah. Little does she know, Kurdoğulu is not after simple revenge, and is actually secretly working with the Templars to become the Bey of the Tribe himself. With the support of the Templars, Kurdoğlu stages a coup and removes Süleyman Shah from the position of Bey of the tribe. Selcan changes her ways when she finds out what Kurdoğulu is up to, and Halime Sultan saves her life by preventing her from drinking poisoned water. She seeks guidance from Ibn Arabi, who recommends she reveals her wrongdoings to her family for true redemption. She proves she has changed when she jumps in front of Titus's arrow for Gündoğdu and almost dies. Turgut plays a key role in saving Süleyman Shah's family and reversing the coup.

By the end of the season, the Kayi tribe, led by Ertuğrul, defeats the Templars and takes over their castle. They are able to do so with Yiğit's help as he has important information about the tunnels under the castle. Kurdoğulu is sentenced to death for treason. Ertuğrul and Halime Sultan are able to marry after Gökçe releases her imagined claim on Ertuğrul. Süleyman Shah dies at the end of the season while riding his horse through a river, which Hayme Ana, his wife, sees in her dream as a premonition. She becomes the leader of the Kayi tribe when Süleyman Shah dies. The clan decides to leave Aleppo and migrate to Anatolia.

Season 2 In the second season, Ertuğrul is captured by Tangut, who is Baycu Noyan's right hand man, and an army of Mongols. Halime Sultan runs back to the tribe for help, only to discover that the Mongols have killed everyone there and completely burnt the tribe to the ground. The survivors of the Kayi Tribe led by Hayme Ana seeks refuge with the Dodurga tribe, led by Korkut Bey, who is also Hayme Ana's brother. While captured, Noyan seriously injures Ertuğrul's sword-using hand by driving a nail into it. Ertuğrul's escape from the Mongols and subsequent return to his tribe creates internal strife between him and his cousin Tuğtekin, who becomes the head alp of the Dodurga and Kayi tribes as everyone had presumed Ertuğrul to be dead. The tension is further escalated with the arrival of Sungurtekin, Ertuğrul's long lost brother. Sungurtekin was previously a spy against Ögeday for Sultan Alâeddin Keykûbad. However, a traitor-revealed to be Emir Sadettin Köpek-in the palace revealed his identity to Ögeday, so Sungurtekin had to leave his post and return home.

Meanwhile, Aytolun (Hayme Ana's sister in law - Korkut Bey's second wife and Tuğtekin's step-mother), plots to help her brother Gümüştekin become the margrave, or Uçbey in Turkish, with the help of Emir Sadettin Köpek, who himself is plotting to become the Sultan by secretly working together with the Mongols. Aytolun's plot includes the marriage of Gökçe and Tuğtekin, as well as the marriage of Gündögdu and Goncagül, her niece and Gümüştekin's only daughter. These marriages will help tie the Dodurga and Kayi tribes together permanently, and in her estimation, will aid her brother become the margrave. While Tuğtekin is genuinely in love with Gökçe, she initially is still hung up on Ertuğrul, much to Halime Sultan's chagrin. Eventually they do marry and both sincerely love each other.

Goncagül kills an old lady who knew that Aytolun killed Duru Hatun, Korkut Bey's late wife, and Tuğtekin's mother. Selcan is suspicious that the murder is connected to Aytolun. In the effort to make her father margrave, Goncagül steal the Oğuz Khan seal from Sungurtekin, which is critical for uniting all the Turkic tribes and defeating the Mongols. She gives the seal to her father, who gives it to Sadettin Köpek, who eventually gives it to Tangut.

Noyan is captured by Gündoğdu with the help of Hamza. Hamza is able to redeem himself before he dies. Gündoğdu wants to take Noyan back to the tribe to formally execute him for his war crimes, but Sadettin Köpek saves him from death by claiming that peace has been declared between the Seljuks and Mongols. Gündoğdu is forced to let Noyan go. Sadettin Köpek makes a deal with Tangut to kill Noyan so that Tangut can become the general of the Mongols. He also makes a deal with Noyan as well. In both deals, his condition is that he becomes the Sultan of the empire. Sungurtekin and Deli Demir go on a secret mission to kill Noyan, but instead they fight Tangut's men. Tangut kills Deli Demir, and then Sungurtekin kills Tangut. This way, Sungurtekin is able to retrieve the Oğuz Khan seal.

The only people immediately aware of Aytolun's evil intentions are Selcan and Ertuğrul. Selcan is able to convince Halime to believe her as well. Most people think Selcan is making accusations because she is jealous that her husband is trying to marry Aytolun's niece, Goncagül. Korkut Bey is not aware of Aytolun's true nature, and is poisoned by her. He dies, having found out that Aytolun also killed Duru Hatun too late. Aytolun attempts to place the blame of Korkut Bey's death on Banu Çiçek. Doğan Alp, who is in love with Banu Çiçek, helps her escape before they can kill her unfairly. With the help of Ertuğrul and Halime Sultan, Selcan is able to prove to Tuğtekin that Aytolun really did kill Duru Hatun. Abdurrahman Alp kills Aytolun, but Goncagül gets away. Gümüştekin Bey is executed for treason as he also plays a major role in the deaths.

Goncagül plots her revenge for her aunt and father by asking Sadettin Köpek for help. He introduces her to Noyan, and encourages them to work together. They plot to kill Tuğtekin, as he now supports Ertuğrul. Noyan kidnaps Gökçe to lure Tuğtekin to a trap, but while Gökçe is captured, she kills Goncagül and escapes. Noyan recaptures Gökçe, and is furious that she has killed Goncagül, who he has fallen in love with. Therefore he kills Gökçe in front of Tuğtekin, and then kills Tuğtekin as well for revenge. Noyan is finally killed by Ertuğrul.

After defeating Noyan, the tribe is split between joining Ertuğrul on the Western border of Anatolia, or staying with Gündoğdu and Sungurtekin. In the end, Ertuğrul, his brother Dündar, Halime Sultan, and Hayme Ana, along with 400 other people journey to the western edge of Anatolia, leaving behind the rest of the Kayi Tribe, who decide to settle in the Eastern Anatolian city of Ahlat. On their way to Bilecik, Halime Sultan's younger brother Yiğit is murdered by Sadettin Kopek's men. 96.227.111.43 (talk) 15:40, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: The plot section is already tagged as too long/detailed. This takes that even further. Please remember that Wikipedia articles about fictional works discuss the work in an encyclopedic manner, discussing the development, design, reception, significance, and influence of works in addition to concise summaries of those works. See WP:NOTPLOT. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 15:52, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Interested editors could consider starting separate articles for each season, see List of Diriliş: Ertuğrul episodes (or just work on that article). Those are not meant to be all PLOT either, but a little more could work well enough. Consider articles like List of Rome episodes or Game of Thrones (season 4). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:25, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If there's good sources about Erdoğan's involvement/comments on this series, that could be a good addition. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:44, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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So,I wanted to edit season 2 as it has no story of how Ertugrul was tourtered,Halime was pregnant,neithet about the birth of Gunduz and Yigit's death 39.57.69.34 (talk) 07:04, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Majavah ^{talk · edits} 07:28, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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CleanKeyMaster (talk) 17:21, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply] 

PTV's YouTube channel for the series had gained over 6 million subscribers & 690 million views as of June 2020

PTV's YouTube channel for the series had gained over 6 million subscribers & 690 million views as of June 2020 CleanKeyMaster (talk) 17:22, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That can be added if an indepent (of PTV and YT) WP:RS bothers to comment on it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:55, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Joelaroche and Balolay: You have both been edit warring at the article. WP:Edit warring is against Wikipedia rules and could get you blocked from editing. I have temporarily protected the article to stop the edit warring. Discuss your differences here at the talk page instead. Be specific about what you think the article should say or not say. And focus on the content; don't complain about the other editor. Just prove that your version is the right one. -- MelanieN (talk) 17:01, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I invite User:Joelaroche here to discuss his concerns regarding the initial version of the article. I hope that we reach a middle ground hete on which all parties agree meanwhile I am restoring the article on its initial version. I will also respond to the changes made in the article by him/her here in a detailed way a little later. RegardsBalolay (talk) 04:16, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

MelanieN, it could be time to protect this article again. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:08, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

User:Balolay. This is in regards to the following content:

"The show has been well received, particularly in South Asia and Azerbaijan.[4][5] However, several countries in the Arab world have banned the show and fatwas have been issued against it.[6][7][8] The show has also received criticism for a lack of historical accuracy,[9] depiction of non-Muslims in a negative manner and for glorifying Islamic fundamentalism.[3][10]"

First point: This claims that the show is historically inaccurate. I believe that this is irrelevant as the show is fictitious and has not claimed to be accurate. Also, looking at the source, this claim is coming from the opinion piece of a Physics teacher, not an expert in the relevant field of history. See WP:SPS.

Second point: This claims that the show depicts non-muslims in a negative manner. I could not find this claim in the cited source. Post the quote and link here.

Third point: There is a claim that the show glorifies Islamic fundamentalism. Again, I could not find this claim in the cited sources. If it's there, quote it and post the link.

Fourth point: There is a sentence that claims that the show has multiple fatwas against it. One source mentions only Egypt, and the other source is questionable as its exceptional claims are not fact checked or backed by any other source that I could find. See WP:QS and WP:EXCEPTIONAL.

Fifth point: The first sentence is not backed by the cited sources. The sources only mention Pakistan, not the rest of South Asia or Azerbaijan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joelaroche (talk • contribs) 11:57, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Joelaroche , firstly let us break down the content you are trying to remove from the article into individual statements.

The show has been well received, particularly in South Asia and Azerbaijan.^[1][2]. While you are right to claim that the source only mentions Pakistan, the fact that it's popular in Azerbaijan is mentioned in the "Reception" section of the article along with relevant sources. In Wikipedia articles lead is often the summary of entire article and sometimes sources are skipped yet they are still present in the individual sections. Pakistan is in South Asia so I don't think we have a major problem in this regard. Nevertheless, I will change South Asia to Pakistan and add source regarding its popularity in Azerbaijan.

However, several countries in the Arab world have banned the show and fatwas have been issued against it.^[3][4][5] The sources that are given here are credible and I don't know any wiki rule which can be used to discredit them. Two of these sources clearly mention that it was banned in Egypt in addition to UAE and Saudi Arabia etc, so we can comfortably use the term "several countries in the Arab world". Regarding fatwas, as the sources mention, one occurred in Egypt and the other in some city of Pakistan, so nothing wrong there.

The show has also received criticism for a lack of historical accuracy,^[6] depiction of non-Muslims in a negative manner and for glorifying Islamic fundamentalism.^[7][8] I don't understand why someone being physics expert prevents them from writing on topics related to history. Furthermore, the show is "Historical Fiction" not merely "Fiction". As a consequence, it claims to take inspiration from the historical happenings in "Ertugrul" alleged life to some extent. Therefore, criticism in that regard is genuine. Regarding glorification of Islamic fundamentalism, it's also mentioned in the sources in the form of "dangerous delusions". I hope that I have clearly expressed my points here. Regards Balolay (talk) 09:09, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

^ Khan, Imran (14 May 2020). "Analysis: Ertugrul and the lure of Turkish dramas in Pakistan". Al Jazeera. Retrieved 26 May 2020. ^ "'Ertugrul' star Engin Altan sends special message to Pakistani fans on Eid: WATCH". The News International. 24 May 2020. Retrieved 26 May 2020. ^ Hoda, Ayesha (24 February 2020). "Diriliş: Ertuğrul Banned in Egypt but the Turkish Soap Remains Popular, Here's Proof". Masala. Retrieved 21 April 2019.{{cite news}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link) ^ https://m.yenisafak.com/en/news/following-in-uae-saudifootsteps-egypt-issues-fatwa-banning-turkishtv-series-3511681 ^ https://nayadaur.tv/2020/04/jamia-binoria-issues-fatwa-against-ertugrul-following-pms-orders-to-telecast-it-on-ptv/ ^ Hoodbhoy, Pervez (6 June 2020). "Dangerous delusions — Ertugrul mania". Dawn. ^ Cite error: The named reference tribune was invoked but never defined (see the help page). ^ Garewal, Ghazanfar Ali (28 May 2020). "'Ertugrul' sparks questions over Pakistani nationalism". Asia Times. Retrieved 6 June 2020.

Comment Balolay, "The show has also received criticism for a lack of historical accuracy,[10] depiction of non-Muslims in a negative manner and for glorifying Islamic fundamentalism.[3][11]" Does not belong in the WP:LEAD since it's not a summary of anything in the body. Move it to the body, perhaps expand it, then maybe it may deserve a mention in the lead, maybe not. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:58, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment @User:Balolay

"However, several countries in the Arab world have banned the show and fatwas have been issued against it."

Your sources for this, Yeni Şafak and nayaduar.tv, are questionable and unreliable. See WP:QUESTIONABLE. Provide evidence that they have a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy.

"The show has also received criticism for a lack of historical accuracy"

See WP:HISTRS and Wikipedia:Reliable source examples#History. When dealing with history, it is generally recommended to provide reliable sources that include authoritative figures in the relevant area. An opinion piece by a physics teacher does not fit this description. Furthermore, if this were to be included in the article, it would need to be clearly shown that it is an opinion. See WP:RSOPINION. For example, Pervez Hoodbhoy, a writer for Dawn and physics teacher, criticized the show by describing it as "a free-wheeling caricature of 13th-century Anatolia of which we know next to nothing." This should also not be included in the WP:LEAD. See WP:UNDUE. Since this is the viewpoint of an extremely small minority, including this or giving a summary of this author's opinion in the WP:LEAD would give it more than needed attention and space, which is highly inappropriate as it would give it undue weight.

"depiction of non-Muslims in a negative manner"

You haven't addressed my second point about this.

"and for glorifying Islamic fundamentalism."

I don't see how "dangerous delusions" is in any way evidence of the show glorifying Islamic fundamentalism, a movement which did not exist in the 13th century. Please explain. Joelaroche (talk) 12:42, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• @Balolay: I am going to ask you to remove that sentence from the lead. You re-added it earlier this week, saying “Restored previous info until consensus is reached on the talk page.” And in the discussion above you said “ I am restoring the article on its initial version.” But actually it was not “previous info”. It was not the “initial version.” It was never in the article until you added it on June 6. It is not longstanding content, and you are the one who needs to gain consensus before adding it.

• Also, User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång makes a good point that it should not be in the lead if it is not in the body of the article. I suggest that the discussion here focus on whether to add something to the Reception section of the article. -- MelanieN (talk) 16:23, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@MelanieN Okay I agree with Gråbergs Gråa Sång in that "The show has also received criticism for a lack of historical accuracy,[10] depiction of non-Muslims in a negative manner and for glorifying Islamic fundamentalism.[3][11]" needs to be moved from lead to the relevant section. However, I don't think there any sufficient consensuses to remove "The show has been well received, particularly in South Asia and Azerbaijan.[4][5] However, several countries in the Arab world have banned the show and fatwas have been issued against it.[6][7][8]", therefore it should stay in the lead. Regards Balolay (talk) 17:00, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You don’t negotiate with me about what to say; you negotiate with the other editors here. Here’s where the situation stands:

• The first sentence, “It has been well received, particularly in the Muslim world”, was in the article for months. If there is debate about whether to say “the Muslim world” or “particularly in Pakistan” or “particularly in Pakistan and Azerbaijan”, that needs to be resolved.
• The second sentence, about banning and fatwas, was not in the lead [12] until you added it.[13] It should be removed until there is consensus.
• Likewise, the third sentence, about criticism, was not in the lead until you added it. It should be removed until there is consensus.

So those are the issue that need consensus. You should probably discuss them separately, since some of them might not even be controversial, or might reach agreement more easily than others. -- MelanieN (talk) 17:51, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with MelanieN's summary above. Balolay is correct that the show has been well received in Azerbaijan and I notice that Joelaroche hasn't explicitly disputed that on the talk page, so that should not be subjected to dispute.VR _talk 14:08, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm ok with the "banning" being mentioned in the lead in some form, it's seems a pretty big deal compared to various criticism, and perhaps the banning-section in the article can be improved. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:47, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång:

This is in regards to this edit you made [14]. Instead of moving it, can you remove it please? Like MelanieN said, there still needs to be consensus for that content to be included and it is not long standing content. Joelaroche (talk) 06:17, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it's been there since the beginning of June, neither longstanding or brand new. IMO the sources are good and should be used, though wording can of course be improved as always. I will not remove it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:45, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång:

See WP:ONUS. The onus to achieve consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content. Consensus hasn't been reached yet for that content, so it should be removed until then. Please explain why you think the sources are good and respond to my points above. Joelaroche (talk) 20:58, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dawn, The Express Tribune and Asia Times all appear to be WP:RS enough in the context of reception for a tv-series. I'll attempt a re-write. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:36, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

[15] New version. Joelaroche, Balolay, MelanieN Vice regent, other interested, see what you think. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:17, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The most notable criticism in that version is that by Jibran Nasir, because his criticism is notable enough to be quoted by a third party source. I'll attempt a re-word, Gråbergs Gråa Sång feel free to revert me if you wish.VR _talk 21:45, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Vice regent If you mean the BBC-thing, Pervez is in there too. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:55, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that's great. Pervez's BBC quotes would be considered more notable than anything else in his opinion piece.VR _talk 22:10, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång and Vice regent:

I think it looks good so far. It follows WP:RSOPINION and looks more neutral now. The sources that I thought were questionable were Yeni Şafak and nayaduar.tv, not the sources you mentioned Gråbergs Gråa Sång. Those seem to be fine. Joelaroche (talk) 23:10, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think we have achieved improvement. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:30, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Slightly off-topic, this was an interesting article ("A well-known, and controversial, Indian Muslim cleric declared Ertugrul haram for its immodesty, but even he admitted it was "less haram" than watching Bollywood. "). Not quite sure how to use it, EL maybe. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:49, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång:

It's referring to Zakir Naik. He says this about almost all movies and tv shows. You don't see his declaration of whether a show or movie is haraam or not in their articles here, so why do it for this one now? Joelaroche (talk) 18:46, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Joelaroche Sorry for being obscure. That quote was just because I thought it was funny, not very useful as content. The article, however, may have some use somewhere. And thanks for the info. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:49, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Since there's more editors participating, I'd like to suggest reinserting Bilgiç also received negative attention from Pakistani fans on social media, who critisized her behaviour outside the series as morally lacking.[15][16][17] Other castmembers have also been affected.[18] (not in the lead, after the "like to visit Pakistan" bit). Previously discussed and reffed in the Talk:Diriliş:_Ertuğrul#Controversial_statements thread above. One more ref [16] (already used for other stuff in the article) And another [17]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:09, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi there,

Please change "Bogac tries to kill Gunduz, but is killed by Turgut, who rescues Gunduz and is made head of Alps by Ertugrul." to "Bogac tries to kill Gunduz, but is killed by Hayme and Turgut. They rescue Gunduz and Turgut is made head of Alps by Ertugrul." because it is Hayme who kills Bogac with a bow and arrow, not Turgut.

Also, I was wanting to add in some of the episode listings from Netflix for some of the main events, to create ease of navigation for those watching the series. These are within the "Cast and characters" description box.

Aykiz Hatun: Change "Dies after getting seriously burnt while fighting the Mongols at the beginning of Season 2." to "Dies after getting seriously burnt while fighting the Mongols (Netflix Season 2, Episode 4)"

Deli Demir: Change " Is killed by Tangut." to " Is killed by Tangut (Netflix Season 2, Episode 63"

Gokce Hatun: Change "Later becomes wife of Tuğtekin, Bey of the Dodurga tribe." to "Later becomes wife of Tuğtekin, Bey of the Dodurga tribe (Netflix Season 2, Episode 67)."

Gokce Hatun: Change "Is killed by Noyan along with her husband Tugtekin." to "Is killed by Noyan along with her husband Tugtekin (Netflix Season 2, Episode 92)."

Tugtekin Bey: Change "However, he is killed by Noyan but still encourages the migration." to "However, he is killed by Noyan (Netflix Season 2, Episode 95) but still encourages the migration"

Shahzade Yigit/Yigit Alp: Change "Killed in an ambush laid by Emir Sadettin." to "Killed in an ambush laid by Emir Sadettin at the end of Season 2 (Netflix Season 2, Episode 103).

Dogan Alp: Change " Is later killed by Vasilius and Ural.Gets married to Banu Cicek of dodurga tribe and has a son named Doğan." to "Gets married to Banu Cicek of Dodurga tribe and has a son named Doğan. Is later killed by Vasilius and Ural (Netflix Season 3, Episode 67)."

Bamsi Beyrek: Change "Married Hafsa Hatun and has two children, Aslihan and Aybars." to " Married Hafsa Hatun (Netflix Season 3, Episode 73) and has two children, Aslihan and Aybars."

Hafsa Hatun/Helena: Change "Later lives with the Kayı tribe and became Bamsi Beyrek's wife, converted to Islam and changed her name to Hafsa." to "Later lives with the Kayı tribe and became Bamsi Beyrek's wife (Netflix Season 3, Episode 73), converted to Islam and changed her name to Hafsa."

Halime Sultan: Change "Dies shortly after giving birth to Osman." to "Dies shortly after giving birth to Osman (Netflix Season 4, Episode 76)."

Suleyman Alp: Change "Killed by Beybolat Bey/Albaştı." to "Killed by Beybolat Bey/Albaştı (Season 5, Episode 55)." Ceejayy55 (talk) 20:50, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:10, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, there is a problem in one of its contents. In Season 1(1.1 content), check Halime Sultan (of 17th century). It should be Halime Sultan (of 13th century).IAmAtHome (talk) 02:41, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. I don't know what she is mostly called in the series, so I went with Hatun. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:30, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Gråbergs Gråa Sång! See Characters, Turgut Alp is double.

IAmAtHome (talk) 03:44, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

[18] Better? Btw, your WP:PINGs are not working, as in I don't get a notification. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:14, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ok! Gråbergs Gråa Sång, I don't know what's problem with my pinging. I think bolding problem might be. Now, check your notifications and inform me.

IAmAtHome (talk) 09:29, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

IAmAtHome that one worked! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:38, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Ertugrul Ghazi718 (talk) 12:07, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply] 

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 12:42, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Please allow me to edit this Article. Please remove "Muslim Game of Thornes" from this arcticle because this is not "Game of Thornes". 78.95.159.255 (talk) 08:43, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that "Muslim Game of Thrones" should be removed from the infobox, as it's a joke-y description and not an actual alternative name. – Thjarkur (talk) 09:41, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with infobox, but I think mention under "Reception" is fine. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:27, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Seagull123 Φ 13:11, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Seagull123, perhaps I should have written "but I think the mention", it was there already. But thanks anyway, I removed your addition. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:44, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: sorry, missed that! I saw that there was no other mention of "Muslim" Game of Thrones and added that in, didn't see the "Turkish Game of Thrones"! Sorry! Seagull123 Φ 13:48, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Someone who knows could insert a short parenthesis telling us what an alp is in this series. Somewhere in the season 2 section, perhaps. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:45, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Alp is not a name. It is a Turkish word which means "a soldier or a warrior who fights" in English. It is connected with the name of a soldier or warrior in this series for calling or adressing him (e.g., Turgut was name of a warrior but called as Turgut Alp).

IAmAtHome (talk) 09:11, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@IAmAtHome: Sorry for interruption, but Alp is a given Male name in Turkey, you can check it here Alp (name) hope it helps, but it’s quite rare, some people may use this as a short name. Tahaaleem (talk) 09:54, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Tahaaleem: Okay, Thank You for info. @Gråbergs Gråa Sång: Have you got notification from my last ping?

IAmAtHome (talk) 10:52, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If I was unclear, something like [19] was what I meant. Btw, have you considered not putting your signature on a new line? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:50, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, Sorry. I didn't notice that I was going to a new line (while adding signature). But I use italic text. Actually, I am on mobile. IAmAtHome (talk) 03:36, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This section is becoming very bloated. I looked around for some guidance on this, and found MOS:TVCAST. I quote:

Remember to follow the notability guidelines when creating a cast list: not every fictional character ever created deserves to be listed and far fewer will deserve an individual article (the average TV series has no characters that need stand-alone articles). It may be appropriate to split the cast listing by "Main" and "Recurring" cast or characters. If the series is long-running, and has a large number of recurring guest stars, it may be better to create a separate list of characters articles (see below for style guidelines on "List of ..." pages).

I think it would be an improvement if we cut this list to "main" cast, possibly adding a column for which seasons they are in, and either deleted the rest or put them in a separate article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:30, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So, my idea is to have a section for the main characters where we make an infobox about them, a description and maybe a picture (if available). Something like this. For the other characters keep the current table. This can be a separate article or can stay in this article. ~Styyx ^{Talk? ^-^} 18:47, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

For this article, I could live with something like The_Big_Bang_Theory#Cast_and_characters. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:04, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

One thing for sure, we really need to exclude the minor characters because this list is simply too long, IronManCap. Also, its quite confusing because there isn't any order,(alphabetical, per season etc.), so finding what you are looking for is nearly impossible, making the list useless. ~Styyx ^{Talk? ^-^} 12:54, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It could be made sortable for actors and characters. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:27, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kuruluş:_Osman#Cast_and_characters looks much more reasonable, now. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:24, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Think there should be a new article for cast and characters like has been done for Kurulus, Limorina and Gråbergs Gråa Sång. IronManCap (talk) 18:41, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

IronManCap, a draft is in progress by Limorina. See Draft:List of Diriliş: Ertuğrul characters. Thank you. Empire AS ^Talk! 18:47, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have a request. This section has almost no content. Many main characters are not present like Artuk Bey, Tekfur Ares and Ibn Arabi. Even if the characters aren't present in all the seasons, They are the people who made the season work and should be given some credit. Many people like to know the whole cast and Wikipedia being known world wide becomes disappointing. The opening credits give much more information than this section. If someone could edit the section to include more characters it would be better.

Halime Skywalker, the section is just a summary of characters. The main article for characters is List of Diriliş: Ertuğrul characters which contains almost all characters although some are missing. You should visit that and read or edit. Thank you. Empire AS ^Talk! 07:33, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The genre "Islamic" in the infobox should be changed into Islamic history. 45.125.220.162 (talk) 17:35, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And remove "Historical"? Not sure, I think I like the current writing better. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:54, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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81.178.255.100 (talk) 17:35, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply] 

Let me edit the characters and the plot please.

Because of previous unhelpful edits this article is now WP:SEMIPROTECTED, see that link on how to get "access". You can also try to write your suggestions on this page, if another editor think they're good, they may do them. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:16, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Originally aired 179.181.126.45 (talk) 15:38, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 15:54, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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change pregnent to pregnant in the season 2 description ATandem (talk) 19:42, 6 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 22:00, 6 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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I would like to edit this article because there are multiple spoilers in this article that really aren't fair to new watchers. And there are grammatical errors, spelling errors, punctuation errors, etc. NekoSenpai15 (talk) 14:03, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

NekoSenpai15, Wikipedia doesn't remove spoilers from articles, so those would stay regardless. For the grammatical, spelling and punctuation errors, you can leave a more specific request with the corrections here. The article has been protected for a while due to persistent vandalism. You'll hit the "confirmed" status that will let you edit the article with just 10 edits and 4 days time though. Ravensfire (talk) 14:41, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(ec) About spoilers, see WP:SPOILER. About editing the article, see WP:AUTOCONFIRM. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:42, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think someone should add a logo rather than the TRT Ertugrul by PTV thumbnail in the infobox. Limorina (talk) 15:36, 13 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that a logo is the customary WP:LEADIMAGE for WP-articles about tv-series. Someone so inclined could upload a suitable (low-res etc) WP:NONFREE logo-image to WP, not Commons at Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard. The current image will probably be deleted per WP:IMAGERES and other WP:NONFREE issues, and this PTV-image is not a brilliant choice on en-WP. WP:NONFREE is not that easy to follow, but it can be done. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:01, 13 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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PLease anyone change File:TRT Ertugrul by PTV.png to File:DirilişErtugrul.jpg in the Pakistan section of the article because File:TRT Ertugrul by PTV.png is uploaded under wrong license on wikimedia commons while File:DirilişErtugrul.jpg is also a poster of this series by PTV uploaded under the suitable license of fair use and can be used instead of it.Thank You.119.160.119.130 (talk) 10:52, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done The new file has been uploaded. Empire AS ^Talk! 12:04, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Already done Melmann 12:24, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Consider, however, to add the requested non-free use rationale at the File:DirilişErtugrul.jpg page, see File:The Big Bang Theory Cast.png for an example. Kuruluş: Osman also has a nonfree Commons image (the logo), as does Kuruluş: Osman (season 2), so if anyone want to deal with those, feel free. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:34, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If anyone wonders, File:DirilişErtugrul.jpg has been deleted: "G5: Created by a banned or blocked user (CalligrapherAR) in violation of ban or block" Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:00, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gråbergs Gråa Sång, both the photos have been deleted. So, there's nothing left to be used in this article. Thank you. Empire AS ^Talk! 11:49, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, interested editors will have to try again. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:14, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder that all the photos that were being used in this article got deleted one by one due to some issues. Same, happened with Kurulus but one remained. And now, the article is in need of photo. I myself would upload a photo, but I can't do so. In the past, my all uploaded photos were deleted and I'm not very expert in the file namespace. Perhaps you may do so. Thank you. Empire AS ^Talk! 12:23, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I just reverted this:

"It's Turkish, Urdu and Arabic language YouTube channels together have over 3 billion views worldwide.^[1][2][3]"

with the ES

"We don't care, and per the sources you added, no they don't. Take it to the talkpage, and bring other sources than YT."

If any such numbers are to be mentioned, they need secondary WP:RS who noticed and bothered to write something about it (compare with what's in the article already), otherwise they are not interesting to mention, this is not a fan-page. Also WP:LEAD.

Comments? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:15, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Loyal Kayi Alp, blood brothers to Gunket and Melikshah. One of the front Alps most loyal to Ertugrul, Bamsi and Tugrut. Martyred by Arikkbuka in Season 5. LolaNazele (talk) 03:53, 26 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Limorina, is Sadettins actor really credited in seasons 1 & 5? Also, is Esra credited in season 5? IronManCap (talk) 17:55, 8 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

IronManCap, no definitely not, it is impossible because he didn't appear or get mentioned or have any influence in those seasons. And Esra didn't appear in season 5, so no. I just got very confused. Limorina (talk) 00:01, 9 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Tahaaleem, IronManCap, and Empire AS: So, I was thinking if it was worth putting time into adding a plot summary for each episode. I'm talking about the DE seasons articles as a whole like I did for the KO seasons. It may take me five weeks to do it but if it's worth it, I'll do it maybe if someone could help me. Limorina (talk) 23:16, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Limorina, hope you are fine, about episodes summaries, I may help you if I can, but this is my last active week on Wikipedia, after it I will be inactive for some months, so I think I can help you for this week. Thank you. However, where we can find the summaries? Thank you Tahaaleem ^Talk 09:04, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Limorina:, I think we should add the season summary of all DE seasons like you did for KO seasons. I can help you complete it as long as I'd be active here. Empire AS ^Talk! 09:13, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tahaaleem, as we all know (or you might not know), you can find each and every episode of a Turkish TV series on YouTube, same for DE (by simply typing in "Diriliş Ertuğrul 1.bölüm" if your looking for the first episode). I just skim through the episode not listening to what they say and know what happened so Empire AS should be fine too. The way I think we should do it is that I'll do the first season (because I've already started), Empire AS can do the second season and Tahaaleem can do the third and then I'll do the fourth and Empire AS, the fifth. I think we should do it on a sub page or a sandbox so that people reading the articles don't get surprised or anything. Limorina (talk) 09:56, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Also Empire AS, if you don't want too many spoilers then you don't need to do the fifth season, I'll do it myself. I think you're watching TRT Ertugrul by PTV and you've just started the third season, correct me if I'm wrong. Limorina (talk) 09:59, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Limorina, actually I know about it, because I have watched the first season in Turkish on YouTube, and the remaining seasons on Netflix, with English subtitles. Thank you. Tahaaleem ^Talk 10:09, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Limorina, It would be fine. I'd start with second season and after this, I would think about 5th season. I'm watching TRT Ertuğrul by PTV, therefore now I've reached the 3rd season. Regarding how to find the summary, YouTube, Netflix and IMDb all provide with a summary for each episode. But I think that we should write summaries in our own words. Thank you. Empire AS ^Talk! 12:10, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Limorina, hi, I have completed 5 episodes summaries, however I wanted to tell you that I don't have enough time these days, maybe it will take me time to complete it, and I am going to inactive from 18 January onwards, I don't think, I can do the complete episodes, because I am busy these days, I am really sorry, about it, I apologise for this inconvenience, however I can do till Episode 15, I am again really sorry. Thank you.Tahaaleem ^Talk 22:45, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

IronManCap, so the truth is, in the show, nobody is called "Bey Hatun" neither are they called "Hanım." In the show, they are either called "Head Hatun" or "Hatun." "Bey Hatun" is just a load of nonsense, especially the "second-in-command" bit, we can link it with her being the wife if the Bey but it still seems very wrong. "Hanım" is the historical term for this title which was the reason Michelle Tomlinson added it which isn't relevant because this show is fiction and it's a show anyway. What we can do now is just keep it as Hanım or change it all to Hatun or Head Hatun but Bey Hatun is just a load of nonsense and that title doesn't even exist in the show or history. Limorina (talk) 10:31, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for clarifying IronManCap (talk) 10:44, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This show is a historical show that is based on real life events. Using the title of hanim is not wrong. They have used this title in the show before actually and the title of bey hatun has been used multiple times. Head Hatun has been used once and that was only in the last episode. Nevertheless, the historically accurate title is Hanim. You cannot use 'hatun' because that just means lady and nearly every Turkish woman is referred to as hatun.

Don't understand how wife of the bey is wrong. A woman becomes leader of the women because of her husband's position. Also, the second in command stuff was removed anyway so don't know why you're bringing up old stuff. Michelle Tomlinson (talk) 12:21, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Michelle Tomlinson: The show is based on real events, it isn't real though, most of it is fiction just like Selcan Hatun who appears so much and besides, we decided to keep Hanım. My response to the Hatun thing is that a regular man is called "Bey", a regular woman is called "Hatun". A tribal chief is called a "Bey", so what's wrong with his wife being called the "Hatun"? Nearly every Turkish man is referred to as a Bey and yes, "nearly every Turkish woman is referred to as Hatun", but just think about it. IronManCap got the "second-in-command" part off you and decided to add it which is why this discussion is taking place. Thank you. Limorina (talk) 09:32, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The series seems to have plenty of truthiness. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:34, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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change wows in season 3 desc. to vows [typo] ATandem (talk) 16:39, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Done EN-Jungwon 17:19, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Campycipro, about this edit: [20]. That TRT writes "Look how popular we are on Youtube!!!!!!" is not very interesting to put in the article per WP:ABOUTSELF #1. It's possibly a little better than citing YT directly, but not much. WP is not here to sell this tv-series. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:01, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Add "citation needed" at the end of paragraph 3. Bobbharti (talk) 10:03, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Bobbharti:  Not done. Information in the lead does not necessarily need sourcing if there are references in the 'body' of the article. Perhaps the sources in the "Political agenda" section cover it?. Eagleash (talk) 12:36, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

More info at WP:LEADREF. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:36, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]