Talk:Corona

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: MOVED as proposed, but Corona moved to Stellar corona per consensus that there is no primary topic per either primacy criterion. Although the proposed title Corona (physics) was accepted by several editors, Stellar corona was proposed mid-discussion as a more WP:NATURAL title, and no one particularly rejected the claim that it would be a better title. (non-admin closure) Red Slash 23:13, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Corona (disambiguation) → Corona
• Corona → Corona (physics)

– DAB from Coronavirus/Coronavirus disease 2019/2019–20 coronavirus pandemic and the many other uses of "Corona" on the DAB page. Although the virus etc isn't usually called just "corona" and I had heard of the plasma meaning (from this video) and I immediately thought of the solar meaning when I first heard of the virus, it seems likely that there is no clear primary topic by PT#1 even though by PT#2 it could be the solar meaning. As far as page views go the solar meaning has 363,262 views but Corona (beer) gets 275,114, Victor and Corona gets 222,535, Corona, California gets 36,463, Corona (band) gets 27,479, Corona (soft drink) gets 23,999, Corona (song) gets 19,000 and Corona (satellite) gets 15,911. Clearly the "much more likely than any other isn't met and neither is the "more likely than all the others combined"[[1]] and there are far more uses than those on the DAB. Coronavirus gets 8,326,235, Coronavirus disease 2019 gets 6,131,947 and 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic gets a staggering 17,858,073![[2]] Views[[3]] over the last 3 months show that 3 months ago the beer meaning often got double or more views than the solar meaning but its likely that views have increased due to people looking for the virus and ending up here. Although some might think that this is recentism, its likely that even in 10 or more years (per the 10 year test) the pandemic will be still important and the discussion for making the pandemic a level 4 vital article looks like a snowball case. The likes of Victor and Corona probably have enough long-term significance to at least put PT#2 to question. A Google search for corona returns more results for the virus than the solar meaning but that's probably because of recentism but sources like The Guardian do use just "Corona". Google Images mainly returns the beer but the virus is also prominent. Other options for the target include Corona (solar) or a natural disambiguator, Solar corona like on Commons. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:01, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Support. The term corona for the virus, though informal, is pretty common and probably here to stay, but even ignoring that meaning, I still don't see a primary topic. There are just too many things with the name, including other natural phenomena, and some are quite prominent. The usage statistics are also strongly indicative of an absence of a primary topic: for last year, one out of nine people who arrived at Corona clicked through to the dab page, which suggests that a large proportion, likely a majority, of those readers searching for the term (in contrast to those arriving via incoming links) are looking for the other topics. And a note about the proposed new title: if the article is moved we might as well choose something more strictly unambiguous: there are several other coronas in physics (Corona (optical phenomenon), the corona of Corona discharge, and probably some of the others listed at Corona (disambiguation)#Physics). – Uanfala (talk) 21:47, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  Indeed I'd support this move even without the virus, I nearly used Corona (solar) but even that would be ambiguous. Corona (star) is another possibility but that would be ambiguous to. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:56, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Support. The term "corona" has multiple meanings. In this day, it's most prominently used to refer to the SARS coronavirus 2 which is spreading throughout the world. In addition, back in December (before the coronavirus outbreak/pandemic became a big deal) Corona (beer) got over double the page views of Corona (of the sun). Toyota Corona's pageviews also surpassed those of the solar corona, and Corona, California came very close. Clearly, there is no primary topic for the word "corona". And with this pandemic (which will be remembered for a long time), corona refers to the virus much more than it refers to the sun. I actually think that Solar corona or Stellar corona would be a better title, since it specifically refers to stars (especially the sun) and it already redirects to the article. I would have supported such a move even if it weren't for the coronavirus pandemic. Sanjay7373 (talk) 22:24, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Support but I suggest Corona (Astronomy) or Solar Corona for the new name. Robertpedley (talk) 22:39, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  Wouldn't Stellar corona be more appropriate? The article is about the coronae of stars generally, not just of the Sun. – Uanfala (talk) 22:51, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Support per nom. No clear primary topic (even before the virus). Move disambiguation page to basename. (Also, I think "Stellar corona" might be the best name for this page, instead of "Corona (physics)".) Paintspot Infez (talk) 23:28, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Support While I do admit that this somewhat falls within WP:RECENTISM, currently in day-to-day speech, "corona" has been colloquially used to refer to the 2019 coronavirus, likely because it's shorter and easier to say than "coronavirus", but also more memorable and impactful than "COVID-19". With this in mind, many readers will potentially want to search for the virus using this term. --benlisquare_T•C•E 02:33, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Support I was myself just thinking that Stellar corona is a much better title. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 07:43, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose per long-term significance. The solar phenomenon is the original meaning of the term from ancient human times. Ancient peoples were in awe of the exotic nature of the solar corona visible only during total eclipses, and throughout history the word has been adopted in contexts which share similar qualities. Several places/company names on the DAB page are named for it either directly or second-hand. This makes it the primary topic regardless of page views. -- Netoholic @ 07:53, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  Yes but I think there are so many other uses (including as noted others that have long-term significance) that there is overall no clear primary topic even if most (or all) derive from this. Especially with the virus I think readers are better served with a DAB. The beer could be moved to a longer name (namely Corona Extra) but even ignoring that it seems that there is still no primary topic. Corona, California says that the name is Spanish for "crown" so its possible that that place doesn't derive from this meaning. Crouch, Swale (talk) 08:13, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  Making any decision on this based on the virus is short-sighted and, frankly, ridiculous WP:RECENTISM. Coronavirus is named for the "halo" of projections around it - or "corona" - a word which has its derivation through millennia of human language all stemming from the visible "halo" around the eclipsed sun. That phenomenon was seen as the sun's "crown", so yes, the California city certainly derives from this meaning - second-hand, but clearly traceable. Yes, many topics on the DAB are long-term significant... but this meaning is undeniably THE longest-term significant one. If our goal is to educate the world, then showing how terms are derived is key to that. -- Netoholic @ 11:17, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  Etymology is not determinative of primary topic status (see the well-known example of Boston at WP:DETERMINEPRIMARY), so what I'm adding now doesn't really contribute to the discussion, but the solar corona is definitely not the original meaning of the term from ancient human times (out article says as much in Corona#History), unless 1809 is counted as ancient times. Corona simply means "crown" in Latin and many other European languages, and that's the source of most meanings in English as well. – Uanfala (talk) 11:20, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  I am not approaching this from a perspective of base etymology - but rather that in conceptual terms, the solar phenomenon has lent its meaning to other visually similar concepts which took on the same term. Those other concepts are rightly separate encyclopedia topics, but it does not diminish the fact that they were called "corona" directly because of the solar phenomenon. -- Netoholic @ 17:46, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  This is bunk, sorry. Most entries on the dab page have nothing whatsoever to do with stellar coronae historically, etymologically or conceptually, but have independent origins from Latin (and thence Spanish, etc.) corona 'crown'. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 12:05, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Support yes lots of meaning of this term. The physics one is not the first that pops to my mind. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 22:55, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak support I don't believe that stellar coronae are the primary topic. Leaving aside coronavirus, I would bet that our readers are far more likely to associate the word with Corona (beer) than an esoteric astrophysical phenomenon. Simply between those two, I think there's reason enough to have a primary dab. I don't believe the colloquial usage of corona to refer to coronavirus will be of lasting significance once the crisis has passed, especially in reliable secondary sources. I would oppose coronaviruses or related articles as primary topic per WP:RECENTISM, but that's not the question being asked right now. Like others I prefer the natural disambiguation Stellar corona over any parenthetical disambiguation. — Wug·a·po·des​ 23:09, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Support. Even before COVID, the beer probably outranked the physics. Stellar corona appears more natural per Wugapodes.--Pestilence Unchained (talk) 05:56, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Neutral. However, my view is that, if the current page Corona is moved, it should be moved to something such as Corona (Astronomy), or possibly Corona (Sun) given that the article is mostly about the solar corona (not stellar coronae in general). TowardsTheLight (talk) 10:03, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  Although I disagree with this argument (the article mainly treats the solar corona because it's the best-known and most familiar example, but as it stands, it is still about stellar coronae in general), even if I grant it for the sake of discussion, the natural disambiguation solar corona is still preferrable. IMHO, Corona (Sun) is just plain ugly; I must also point out that the capitalisation in Corona (Astronomy) violates our rules. --Florian Blaschke (talk)

  While I proposed Stellar corona above, I'm having second thoughts now. The article is cast in a way that treats the solar corona as the locus of discussion throughout, and the topic of coronae in other stars is discussed only in the "Stellar coronae" section at the end. As currently written, the article could probably best do with "Solar corona" as its title. Corona (astronomy) spares us this dilemma, and it's not completely unsuitable given the clear primary topic in astronomy, but there are other articles in Corona (disambiguation)#Astronomy and space so it would be preferable to go for a title that's as unambiguous as possible. – Uanfala (talk) 13:29, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  The organisation of the article is itself questionable. The section "Stellar coronae" should in any case be titled "Other stellar coronae" as the corona of the Sun is also a stellar corona. It would make more sense, IMHO, to have two main sections, "Solar corona" and "Other stellar coronae", at least unless the article is moved to Solar corona or (less elegantly) Corona (Sun). --Florian Blaschke (talk) 14:41, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose. Clear primary topic. Never seen coronavirus referred to as corona. The only other possible contender for primary topic is actually the beer, but I think the astronomical meaning has more long-term significance. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:11, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think that if I said the word "corona" to one of my friends before the pandemic, they would think of Corona (beer). Also before the pandemic, Corona (beer) received more than double the page views of the (stellar) corona. There's also a city of nearly 170,000 residents in California called Corona, just so you know. Also, you said that you've "never seen coronavirus referred to as corona". See the following news websites: 12 3 4 5 6 7 8 Sanjay7373 (talk) 16:07, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yes simply put "Corona" into a Google search[4], it shows people calling it that (though informal). This seems similar to Trump and Thatcher where there are multiple significant meanings but one of those meaning (in this case the virus) is less likely for the single word big gets more views today so is strong enough to prevent the solar meaning from being primary. Indeed there are so many popular/important meanings here of which some have nothing to do with the solar meaning, yes we do take PT#2 seriously but PT#1 is usually more important. Its simply too likely readers will land on the wrong page and will have to loan an unwanted page and many hatnotes otherwise clutter the page (if we intend to add more). Although the US cities are usually referred to with the state included it seem like the city has a reasonable claim to at least for PT#2. As noted the pandemic is likely to become a level 4 vital article wile the solar meaning is only level 5 so I think the virus also has a reasonable claim to long-term significance. While the pandemic might not be that important in 1000 or even 100 years for the foreseeable future the virus is likely to be sought so we need to take into account what people want today to. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:32, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.