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• Write Battle of Refugio, Battle of Coleto, Goliad Massacre, Goliad Campaign
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Ping me if you want me. Petty stuff has resulted in a threat that I believe is personal and meant for you. Regardless of why or how, it may have always been personal. Something is not right here. Indeed, other voices are needed.— Maile (talk) 14:00, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I am not too worried. We have a user who is seemingly obsessed with ONE sentence in an FA-quality, 6k+ word article and is blowing up the talk page of the article. At least he's not edit-warring :) I agree that something isn't right, but I can't quite put my finger on what. All we can do is keep plugging away. You're reading Fowler's SA book, and I am about to start either Tucker's or Calore's. Karanacs (talk) 15:17, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've gone as far as I meant to in Fowler's book. That one chapter is all that's relevant to the article. If you want me to read more of the book, let me know. I still have it — Maile (talk) 15:46, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You're right - for this particular article, I assume there's nothing else relevant in the book. Karanacs (talk) 15:47, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Made a couple of minor tweaks, feel free to revert if that doesn't work for you. - Dank (push to talk) 23:04, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I also made a slight tweak to your tweak, Dank. It sounded like Houston was asleep when the Battle of San Jacinto broke out. Other than that, and I'm the one who wrote the original blurb, I'm fine with what you changed. — Maile (talk) 23:11, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

OK, Dank. Your latest tweak makes it a much better sentence all around. — Maile (talk) 23:32, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, heck, Dank, I just realized that you made it "Texian army of English-speaking settlers". Tejanos (Mexicans born in Texas) under the command of Juan Seguin were also in the Texian army and fought at San Jacinto. I tweaked it again. Tag! You're it! — Maile (talk) 00:08, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• And a P.S., Karanacs. Don't know if you've seen this version, but it's Official Trailer on You Tube. Just guessing, but it looks like they're kicking off the series with the Travis letter from the Alamo. The trailer makes it look like Travis sent out a gazillion copies and everybody is reading their own copy...including Santa Anna. No one who died in the Alamo is listed on Texas Rising at IMDb. — Maile (talk) 23:28, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's today: Texas Revolution, precious again --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:01, 25 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Whenever you resurface again. BTW, hope you got through the serious Texas weather this past week. If you ever get around to the Battle of San Jacinto, I think today must be the first I looked at it. Spurred by reading the old talk page threads I was archiving that questioned why Houston was retreating, and why the Mexican army weren't warned at San Jacinto. Much of it is not sourced. It's otherwise evident you're not the one who wrote it. Most of the article is not about the battle itself. Won't bog you down with details, but ping me when you're ready on this one. — Maile (talk) 00:14, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm around and checking my watchlist, just didn't have the urge to write lately. I have actually never looked at the San Jacinto article. I'd love to have it ready to be featured for the 180th anniversary next year, but I'm not even sure what other books will need to be read before then. I've got 3 Alamo books on my desk at the moment, and then I can expand my list. I will go ahead and add the page to my watchlist, though, so if you do any work I'll chime in. I'm hoping to get serious about the article late summer/early fall. Karanacs (talk) 00:50, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Good, then. You've given me time to do some editing on it, and you can have a look at it later down the line. I was reading the book "Paper Republic" to do a book article. Decided I can't. It takes a numismatic oriented person to do an article on this book. — Maile (talk) 12:09, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like you don't subscribe, so here's a link for you. They quoted from your FA nomination, which looks wonderfully refreshing in their newsletter. — Maile (talk) 23:09, 20 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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There's no evidence that the IP is socking, and the vandalism is only related to one IP. Why the protect? It's also kind of stale. Grognard Extraordinaire Chess (talk) Ping when replying 16:53, 23 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) Probably because the posts (now suppressed) were exceptionally nasty and might have real-life repercussions. It's hardly worth risking the perp jumping to another proxy to reinsert them. Compare this AE thread. How do you mean, it's stale? It was 12 hours ago. Bishonen | talk 17:02, 23 May 2015 (UTC).[reply]

What Bish says. This is the second IP that has posted oversight-worthy stuff on Lightbreather-related pages. The Arb case pages were already protected. I suspect that yet another IP would show up in a few hours. No one should have to put up with harassment. A few days worth of protection for her talk page seemed warranted, and unlikely to have a negative effect on anything else - LB isn't editing much at the moment. Karanacs (talk) 17:08, 23 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Alright Grognard Extraordinaire Chess (talk) Ping when replying 17:10, 23 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sigh. Maile and Karen: I just got up, I see the TFA column was changed 8 hours ago. I've reverted until I can get some feedback from one or both of you. Could you have a look at User talk:Dank#TFA blurbs and article leads and Maunus's point at WP:ERRORS, please, and reply here or on my talk page? (Preferably, don't change the TFA directly, I don't want to give the appearance of rapid back-and-forth in the TFA column.) - Dank (push to talk) 10:38, 25 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Re-pinging Maile. - Dank (push to talk) 10:38, 25 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Also see WT:ITN#A little help; I'm checking to see how much of a problem it would be today if we have to go over. - Dank (push to talk) 10:55, 25 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

All night long, THC has been running an hour-long Avenging the Alamo-The Road, which seems to be a prequel to the series. The history of Texas from SFAustin to the Alamo fall, with Texas Rangers mentions tossed in. Author David Marion Wilkinson, historian Andrés Tijerina, H. W. Brands (UT), Albert Camarillo (Stanford University), and a handful of main actors. Brands does most of the talking. They say they threw in the Emily West storyline to have a possible explanation of why Santa Anna went Non compos mentis (my term for his temporary brain burp) at San Jacinto.— Maile (talk) 15:52, 25 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Karanacs, have you seen my email to you? Thanks! Ed Erhart (WMF) (talk) 23:37, 29 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I saw it, meant to respond and say I was thinking about it, apparently forgot to respond, and will get back to you by Monday. Pinkie promise. Karanacs (talk) 00:02, 30 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Take your time—there's no hurry! I was worried that I'd messed up the address or some similarly silly mistake. Ed Erhart (WMF) (talk) 04:17, 1 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Just a small reminder; there's still no hurry. :-) Ed Erhart (WMF) (talk) 19:31, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

My brain apparently interpreted that as next Monday. Sigh. All done now :) Karanacs (talk) 18:02, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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If you haven't already seen it, a few people have been adding reviews on the Texas Rising article. I've started to look at it as entertainment, because it's starting to stray a lot from history. Although...if it wasn't meant as Texas history, that storyline about Emily and Santa Anna is like...well...maybe a soap opera, and it's not bad in that way. Not sure why Indians keep getting thrown into this...so...if they take this series far enough for the 1841 Enchanted Rock stand off between the Comanches and John Coffee Hays...what part of Durango, Mexico will substitute as Enchanted Rock? — Maile (talk) 23:08, 29 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm planning to catch up on it this weekend (I don't usually have time to watch tv during the week). I figured it would be less than historical, which is why our article was important. It has Brendan Fraser and Bill Paxton, and that makes me happy :) Karanacs (talk) 00:06, 30 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I've noticed you've edited Romance articles in the past and wanted to see if you had any interest in joining a new WikiProject for romance plange (talk) 17:48, 1 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely, if there's a romance novel WikiProject I would join! One of my goals this year is to increase the coverage of romance novels, starting with the RITA-Award winning books. Karanacs (talk) 18:33, 1 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

awesome!! Oops my link was bad, here it is WP:ROMANCE. I just started it this weekend so am still fleshing out pages. I'm awaiting AWB approval and will then start tagging. I started fleshing out articles last week when I saw that many RITA authors didn't have pages, so I started pages for the likes of Sherry Thomas and more. (Also nominated it for a DYK) I originally thought to just make it a task force under WP:WPBIO but realized that wouldn't do. As you note, books are in desperate need. I was kind of horrified at how lacking the site is in this area, but that's not surprising. Also, don't know if you saw on WP:NBOOK's Talk page but there's a discussion going on to add bestseller lists to notability... My WP knowledge is only strong on bios so if you have anything to add to the guides on novels (or to bios or anything else there) I've set up please feel free. I just see what i have there now as an initial stab until others start joining and add to the concensus....plange (talk) 20:41, 1 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I perceive you as a person who prefers transparency, so I'm here. This is my opinion of the latest. There will never be an end if we continue to respond. You can make your own decision, but I choose not to feed it. I have seen this before. There seem to be among us certain really, really, really needy individuals who fill up talk pages. Every response is a green light for them to keep going. Whatever it is, this looks to be endless. It does tend to kill motivation, which in and of itself might be what lies beneath. That would be a form of disruptive editing, right?— Maile (talk) 23:34, 1 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you. The arguments are becoming ridiculous and the sheer amount of text is problematic. I do still believe the article needs an overhaul. I've got a stack of books on my desk, just have to find the time to dive further into them. Hopefully life gets calmer this summer! Karanacs (talk) 14:36, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comparing behavior:

1. Lightbreather replaced a POV term in the NRA lead with the term used by WP:V, WP:SECONDARY, WP:RS[1] - per three talk-page discussions.[2][3][4]
2. Scalhotrod completely re-wrote the lead, omitting term used by WP:V, WP:SECONDARY, WP:RS.[5]
3. Lightbreather restored #1.
4. Lightbreather asked Scalhotrod, on his talk page, to stop. Discussion head "NRA Lead".[6]
5. Scalhotrod followed Lightbreather to another editor's talk page, went to Wikipedia:Ownership of articles to add LB's question to other editor as an example of ownership statements, then (two minutes later) accused LB of ownership on other editor's talk page.[7]
6. Lightbreather asked Scalhotrod, again on his talk page, to please stop.[8]
7. Lightbreather removed Scalhotrod's "ownership" example.
8. Scalhotrod went to his page, changed discussion head "NRA lead" to "Do things my way," wrote this:[9]

Next you'll probably add a THIRD request because of [1] [This was hidden text]

<snark>You'll need to be more specific, my mind reading abilities don't work on Lightbreathers. Oh wait, did you hurt something else and you're now under the influence of something stronger than Ibuprofen?[2] Or maybe you'd like to post a lengthy list of sources that only make sense to you. And don't forget to notify a dozen or so Editors and Admins that you got a boo boo and that some boy is being mean to you[3][4]...

Is that what you are referring to when you say "Please stop." Heck, why don't you file at ANI for old time's sake[5]. Are you bored over the lack of drama over the last week or so?[6][7] I threw in a dif or two to support my claims, did you like that? Say Hi to Eric Corbett[8], Sitush[9], and Hell in a Bucket for me. Oh wait, you can't...</snark> --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 16:41, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

His edit summary on that last post was Is duh wittle User upset? and you think his behavior and mine are comparable?[10] Lightbreather (talk) 20:21, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You left out the part where you insinuated another editor was either a meat or sockpuppet [11]. So yes, I do think that both of you are being equally disruptive. Karanacs (talk) 20:27, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

FTR, I also believe his ownership example is entirely appropriate and would support leaving that on the page. I saw that before I knew it was something you had written. Karanacs (talk) 20:28, 5 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Needs to be said by somebody. — Maile (talk) 00:04, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You've been working on RITA books, and I've been working on the authors, and I typically probably won't be doing many novels, but I've been using the Sherry Thomas article as a testing ground for an article's layout, etc., and put it up for a sitewide PR to see what the wider expectation is for a writer bio. Anyway, in the course of this, have been getting reviews for her two RITA books--are you okay with me going ahead and stubbing those out? I didn't want to step on your toes if you had them already in a sandbox... plange (talk) 12:57, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not working in a sandbox - I write directly in the article. If you've got the info, go for it! Right now, I'm trying to get Vision in White (not a RITA pick) ready for a potential FAC run. Karanacs (talk) 13:20, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

In every edit History he is calling himself a celebrity from Bollywood and Hollywood.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ali567845 --Cosmic  Emperor  13:36, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, on an encyclopedia note could you take a peek at Tahera Ahmad article. I started a stub and have tried to illicit help from the who you'd think have the most interest in improving the article but alas they have not noticed or decided to ignore. It may be facing deletion soon and I think I've made a case for notability on the talkpage but the writing could be improved. I'm not the strongest writer but my research tells me she is not only a good candidate for an article but also one that helps actually helps the profiles of Muslim women in general. I did tell an anon that if they want to delete after our discussion I will start it on their behalf for full disclosure. Not asking for a !vote should it come to it but help in gauging notability certainly prior to that. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 02:02, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know about that one. They are right that the coke can incident is really not notable. The other - being the first American woman to recite the Qu'ran publicly - that might be enough to meet the notability criterion. Have you found anything else that discusses how rare that really is, or is it just line items that she did it? This may be a case of she's too "current" for the RSs to have given her enough in-depth coverage to justify the article today. Karanacs (talk) 14:28, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The way I was seeing it, being the first women to read quran at americas largest muslim convention is one, being featured as a chaplain in The Calling, a pbs special, and coverage that I can show that ranges from 2011-2015. That's four years of covering her work and opinions, I can understand the pop can being somewhat minor but then there is articles like Kai the hatchet weilding hitchhiker and his murder trial and I look at this woman I can't reconcile how that is so different. Maybe I'm missing something. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 00:52, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Karanacs. I'd like to invite you to comment at Wikipedia:Peer review/Chetro Ketl/archive1. I've already had lots of great feedback there (so it should be pretty tight at this point), but it would be really nice to get some more, particularly from FA vets. I'd appreciate anything you are willing to suggest. Thanks! RO^(talk) 15:51, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You've just restored personal attacks/abuse targeting me. You may want to reconsider. I've reverted you and demand that you not restore it, as it's subject to revision-deletion which I've already requested. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 19:41, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page watcher) Wikipedia:No personal attacks states that it would be a personal attack if the content is "Linking to external attacks, harassment, or other material, for the purpose of attacking another editor." The IP seemed to merely be providing an example of personal attacks against other users, not linking to them for the purpose of harassment/attacking. Update (20:04, 16 June 2015 (UTC): Just noticed User talk:NorthBySouthBaranof#vandalism?, BLP got it.—Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 19:59, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That edit very much violates several policies on outing, harassment, and BLP. Do not restore content like that again. GorillaWarfare (talk) 22:02, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Created this this morning and it got redirected back to the author's page. I haven't worked a lot with books, but doesn't it meet #1 in WP:NBOOK? Especially as it stands now in my sandbox? Should I just revert and place new content and see how it fares if put in afd? Thx! plange (talk) 18:56, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I believe it does. Revert the redirect and move your sandbox version over what's there. Oh, and can you please sort out that "an historical" nonsense in Sherry's article? Eric Corbett 19:18, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, shes really reaching for the rope again now. With all the harassment stuff I think she could have gotten some leniency due to responding in tress or something, but getting blocked repeatedly for violating sanctions I think shes in for it. Even GW blocked her. Gaijin42 (talk) 19:57, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

In case you miss the two questions on Talk:List of Alamo defenders:

• "this says that Highsmith reentered the Alamo with Martin and Smith" - I'm unclear on which Smith you mean.
• Please have a look at how I handled the entries to Seguin's bunch, just to make sure that's what you meant.

I have to say, you did a lot of reading and note taking this weekend. I'll work on updating the lead another day. I'm been working on the individual minutia for the last 11 hours. I need a break, but I'm trying to head off any questions that might come up in a review. Diddle with any edits you want.— Maile (talk) 22:29, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the summary, I just logged back in. I spent most of the evening re-reading Lindley. I'll go look back in the book to see which Smith that was, and I'll check on the Seguin entries probably tomorrow. I'm supposed to be working on real work, I'm just weak :) Karanacs (talk) 22:31, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Karanacs,

Would you mind revisiting the Maya civilization FAC? I have trimmed it to a point where it is below the length of the Manhattan Project when it made FA, which was the first on the list you posted a link to. Many thanks, Simon Burchell (talk) 09:13, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Since I'm primarily a lurker on the Battle of the Alamo page, is it worth addressing the flag/absence thereof in the text?--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 18:47, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Gaarmyvet, I don't think the flag or lack thereof is significant to the article. Do you disagree? Karanacs (talk) 14:20, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Gaarmyvet, nobody knows which flag or flags were even at the Alamo, except for the flag of the New Orleans Grays. Santa Anna captured that one, and sent it back to Mexico where members of the Mexican congress stomped all over it. Traditional lore (and John Wayne) have said the 1824 flag flew over the Alamo, but scholars have since discounted that because the flag was designed to support the restoration of the 1824 constitution, while in the Alamo they were fighting for a Republic. What some refer to as the "Seguin flag" was actually the flag of Coahuila and Tejas, which the Mexican army hoisted over the Alamo. The Flag of the Republic of Texas was not designed until later. The Dimmitt bloody arm flag was not at the Alamo. — Maile (talk) 16:10, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I only thought it might be helpful because casual editors keep "improving" the infobox. Maybe a comment in the infobox -- like that for Audie Murphy's birthdate -- would work. I'll yield to the judgment of those working the issue.--Jim in Georgia Contribs Talk 17:37, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think a comment is an excellent idea. Karanacs (talk) 17:59, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Me too, and thanks for the shout-out to your peeps. - Dank (push to talk) 22:09, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Let me add myself to this list. Amazing work. Your contributions have increased the overall value of this encyclopedia.--Skr15081997 (talk) 09:59, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, y'all! Karanacs (talk) 20:24, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

East Texas/Nacogdoches before and during the revolution has been bothering me. It's like Nacogdoches was an entirely different country that was unlike both Bexar and Goliad. I think most of the books we read ignore this altogether. Certainly the movies and television don't seem to know about it. I found something Lack wrote in a chapter in the Poyo book. Here are my notes. The only thing WP has is Fredonian Rebellion and the post-revolution article Córdova Rebellion. I have no idea what we do, if anything. Thoughts? — Maile (talk) 17:33, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Lack's other book goes into detail about some of those same instances, at least the pre-Republic stuff. I included the tidbit about the soldiers taking over the election in the Texas Revolution article. For the most part, though, you're right - historians haven't given a lot of focus to that region. My long-term list of articles to improves includes the Battle of Nacogdoches (1832). I had been working to improve Mexican Texas too - there is likely plenty of room for improvement in how that article discusses Tejanos, and if you have any ideas on how to do that, it would be welcome. I haven't done a lot of reading on the post-Revolutionary period, but I think there ought to be an article somewhere about the treatment of Tejanos during the Republic of Texas years. They faced similar poor treatment around Goliad, and to a lesser extent outside Bexar. Karanacs (talk) 18:01, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Agree on the idea of an article about the treatment of Tejanos during the Republic. That might be a lot to bite off, but it's probably a good thing to do in the long run. 18:36, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

And somehow in clicking links from Fredonian Rebellion I ended up back on the Alamo Mission in San Antonio page and now I want to cry. So much hard work went into that article, and my first glance at it this time showed an uncited/poorly cited bunch of nonimportant fluff (mixed with flat-out untruths - that San Antonio was founded on the Alamo grounds) told in bad prose. How the heck can so many people not know the least bit about how to write? Looks like the same editor who "fixed" it also redirected San Antonio de Bexar to the presidio instead of the town (which I've now reverted) years ago ... and no one noticed. I guess I get to spend my time today fixing the article back to a more coherent and accurate version instead of writing new content. Karanacs (talk) 18:42, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure I've ever looked at that article before. The redirect fixer you're talking about has an ongoing agenda that makes me think they are either wildly loyal to downtown SA, or they're with the visitor's bureau. A number of articles I created, such as NRHP in that city, were later visited by that editor who change EVERYTHING that said the city's name to their their favorite phrase. I would write something like "located in the Bexar County city of San Antonio in the U.S. state of Texas" and somewhere down line it was changed to that favorite phrase of someone else. It was a mania. Like a slow-moving bot. I sympathize with you. I see we now have irrelevant pix in there, also. — Maile (talk) 22:04, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Congratulations, you have been selected to be either the voice of reason, or the person to point a directional sign on this. I deleted a hunk from the Alamo Mission that I thought was just local politics (and still do). I think somebody has an axe to grind. Most of the bunk was loaded in 2012 on three different articles. Big coincidence, different name but same articles and same stuff. One of these is a BLP article, and it seems borderline libel to me. Should anything be done? — Maile (talk) 20:47, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed the BLP article. Ridiculous stuff. Karanacs (talk) 20:05, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Per this edit, Battle of the Alamo is now fully protected for 6 months and can only be edited by an Admnistrator. Don't know where you are, but I hope you're enjoying the summer. — Maile (talk) 12:21, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I take a break for a few days and everything blows up. I'm remembering why I retired.... Karanacs (talk) 16:54, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, would you mind looking at this article and make suggestions on what can be changed to this to make it a GA or better? I doubt it would make a FA but at least one article I started I'd like to be a GA! Hell in a Bucket (talk) 14:46, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Remind me again in a few weeks? I'm way behind - I promised to look at a few others and haven't gotten there yet. Karanacs (talk) 20:06, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello,

I've just renominated Battle of Malvern Hill for FAC. You commented last time. Mind taking a look again. It's been through a copyedit and an A-Class review over at the Military History WikiProject. Link is here: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Battle of Malvern Hill/archive2. Thank you, --ceradon (talk • contribs) 07:30, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Karanacs. Now the dust has settled on the Maya civilization FAC, I just wanted to say many thanks for taking the time to review the article, it's always difficult to cut back an article and especially so in this case, but spinning off some of that information made for a more concise article, and some if it was certainly unnecessarily detailed - after an epic haul the article made FA at the weekend. Best regards, Simon Burchell (talk) 09:16, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Karen, a summary of a Featured Article you nominated at WP:FAC will appear on the Main Page soon. It mostly follows the lead section; how does it look? I try to cap these when I can at 1150 characters, and it's currently around 1100. I'm not sure if I made the best choices for what to cut; any suggestions? - Dank (push to talk) 22:38, 10 October 2015 (UTC

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Karen, I'll get to this one today. Please look it over. - Dank (push to talk) 15:25, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I like it. Thank you! Karanacs (talk) 19:15, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, I didn't get to it till today :) How about now? We aim for 1150 characters; I trimmed it down to 1173. - Dank (push to talk) 03:10, 16 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I just wanted more space on the main page ;) I tried to make some tweaks, but I couldn't make it sound better than you did. Karanacs (talk) 14:08, 16 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Three years ago ...

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Thank you for Gumbo, spiced with your personal memories: "One day last year I was hungry and chose to rework the article on the particular food I was craving. Gumbo is more than just something to fill your belly. In my family, there were few major events, holidays, illnesses or family gatherings that did not include this dish. There are millions of varieties of gumbo - I can often identify the occasion simply by seeing which particular ingredients my grandmother threw in the pot that day (shrimp and crab on Christmas Eve, crawfish and oysters on Memorial Day, chicken - no sausage - on my birthday, etc)."! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:17, 16 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for today's Convention of 1833, "another period of Texan political bumbling. When told that one political convention was illegal and its results would be thrown out, Texans promptly called another one. The man responsible for delivering the results was jailed for treason. Nevertheless, Mexico gave Texas trial by jury, and lots of other cool stuff."! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:12, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for today's History of Texas A&M University! - Saw your edit notice: I have a FAC open, in case you have time and interest. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:53, 14 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for today's Battle of San Patricio, introduced: "This is one of the smaller battles of the Texas Revolution and a terrific illustration of Texan incompetence. One side literally got caught sleeping. The commander escaped due to a series of crazy coincidences. It's a scene worthy of a novelist's imagination."! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:36, 27 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Seven years now! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:10, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you today for Vision in White, an article that "has something to interest both women and men, those who settle in with a good book to relax and those who'd rather boot up their computer and play a video game, introverts and, well, introverts. Vision in White is a romance novel written by bestselling author Nora Roberts. The book was later turned into a video game, which is really odd for a romance novel."! - DYK that I made vision my motto for 2020? Well, I am now more precise about one aspect, a return of kindness, - see my talk, flowers are white ;) - How are you? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:29, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you today for Juan Davis Bradburn, "about the most hated man in Texas in the early 1830s. Bradburn was a Mexican military officer who was most talented at ticking off everyone he encountered. That trait led directly to the first armed encounter between Texas colonists and Mexican troops, and indirectly to the Texas Revolution. There has been only one full biography written about him, although he is mentioned in varying degrees of detail in pretty much every book on the Texas Revolution."! - I have a FAC open, in memory of Brian, in case of interest? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:05, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am taking one last run at getting Emily Ratajkowski promoted to WP:FA in time for a 25th birthday WP:TFA on June 7th. Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Emily Ratajkowski/archive3 needs discussants. Since you were a Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Emily Ratajkowski/archive1 participant, I am hoping you might give some comments.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:35, 23 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You were involved in one of the prior WP:FAC or WP:PR discussions about Emily Ratajkowski. The current discussion at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Emily Ratajkowski/archive4 needs more discussants. In my prior successful FACs, success has been largely based on guidance at FAC in reshaping the content that I have nominated. I would appreciate discussants interested in giving guidance such guidance.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:56, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Covent Garden article has been scheduled to appear on the main page at the end of this month on the 30th. Shortly after it was scheduled, a FAR was opened by User:Scott: Wikipedia:Featured article review/Covent Garden/archive1. I am looking at addressing his concerns, though they are vague, and he appears unwilling to expand on his concerns. As you were involved in the FAC in 2011 (Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Covent Garden/archive1) would you mind looking at the review, and providing some guidance as to how to proceed. There is some concern that we may need to reschedule because it would be inappropriate to have a featured article on the main page while there is a FAR in place. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 19:12, 18 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello - I hate to bother you about a single word in an article, but back in 2007 you made an edit on her article and I wondered if you made a simple mistake (See here - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Danielle_Steel&diff=next&oldid=123778886 ). You wrote, "she studied literature design and fashion design," and I wondered if you had used the word design twice by mistake. I've never heard of a major called "literature design" and I'm pretty sure it doesn't exist (if it does I'd like to know what it is!). I started to just delete it but I was afraid this was one more of those things-that-actually-exists-but-I've-never-heard-of-it, a list that is surprisingly long (and to think I thought I knew everything...).

Btw, the cited link for that into is now dead (that darn Internet has done it again). Thanks. __209.179.36.56 (talk) 20:24, 19 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(See here - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Danielle_Steel&diff=next&oldid=123778886 )

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I recently got contacted by a librarian in Arlington looking for someone to visit and provide some hands on support for contributing to Wikipedia about their special collections. Are you willing/interested in collaborating with them? If so, send me an sadadswikimedia.org and I will connect you. If not, are their any contributors you would recommend for doing outreach and/or a conversation with them? Astinson (WMF) (talk) 21:34, 14 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds like an exciting opportunity! Unfortunately, I'm not that close to Arlington. Maile66, is this something up your alley? Karanacs (talk) 03:07, 15 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Karanacs, how are you? Let me introduce myself. I am that editor over in the Wiki Project Agriculture (and Livestock taskforce) and Wiki Project Equine who works on a sub-section of rodeo articles, mainly bucking bulls and bull riders. I have just recently stepped into a couple of other articles too. I have been working in WP about 6 months now. I am being mentored by montanabw who is one of the editors who oversees the rodeo articles and also has a hand in helping to manage the equine wikiproject. We'd like to collaborate with you on a few things since you are apparently getting involved in rodeo. First of all, I noticed you put the category I created bull riders inside of the rodeo performers category. I thought that was a good idea, so I put my other category bucking bulls inside it too. However, it came to my notice today that neither one of us took the now redundant category rodeo performers out of the articles. So, I'll do bucking bulls and you can do bull riders? Sound fair? Then yesterday, of course, I could not miss the new category you created out of one of the many hall of fames that exist for rodeo. I'm not a big proponent of hall of fame categories, I usually use lists. The Bull Riding Hall of Fame lists all of its inductees in its article. Or, some do like the Country Music Hall of Fame, which has its article about the hall and then a separate list article of its inductees. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Country_Music_Hall_of_Fame_inductees And obviously, we could not create categories for all the halls of fame, that would be overcategorization. If you looked at Jim Shoulders, for example, he's in around 10 hall of fames. I know, cause I added most of them, lol. But if you want to have one and maintain it, that's great, no worries. I also realize that the ProRodeo Hall of Fame article is seriously in need of work. It's on my list. At some point, we might want to discuss if we need a duplicate list in that article as well as a category. And, also I wanted to let you know of three inductees you missed, two bull riders Myrtis Dightman and Warren G. Brown. And a bull fighter/rodeo clown Rob Smets. They are all inductees. Oh, one more thing. The category should be named ProRodeo not Pro Rodeo. Is there anyway to fix that now? If you go to the web site, you will see that is the way they spell it throughout as well as in all of the articles here. Even the logo shows it as one word, so to speak.

The other thing I noticed is that you have written a couple articles. I thought I would let you know where you can look to see what I am currently working on so we don't step on each other. Because you just wrote a barrel horse racer article, and I am working on one right now. Charmayne James in my user space. I am also working on updating her horse Scamper's article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dawnleelynn#Articles_in_Progress And I wanted to say you are welcome to play in my sandbox project for Charmayne. I'm going to add all my sources for Charmayne (user and unused) to her talk page by tomorrow. The sandbox on the bull Bones is pretty much rough draft complete, but comments are welcome. And, btw, I haven't an idea yet what wikiproject to put her in. Even the bull riders are not consistent as to what wikiprojects they are in. Last thing, did you see the article announcing this year's inductees? http://www.prorodeo.com/news-display/2017/03/28/prorodeo-hall-of-fame-announces-2017-induction-class Ok, I know I'm long-winded. dawnleelynn^(talk) 23:39, 7 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I found where we could request a category name change. We'd just have to see the directions at WP:CMOVE where what they call "speedy renaming" can be done. Oh, and montanabw wanted me to make sure you were invited to join our wiki projects if you like. The more, the merrier! And I hope I didn't say anything that offended you. I can be a little bit too direct sometimes and the tone doesn't always come across as friendly as I mean online. dawnleelynn^(talk) 03:34, 8 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi dawnleelynn! Montanabw and I are old friends here on wp, and I'm happy to meet any friend of hers. I was once a prolific editor, took a long wikibreak, and then got inspired watching some of my favorites compete at the Houston rodeo a few weeks ago. I'm not sure how many articles I'm going to write, but for now I'm having fun! Sherry Cervi is probably the only barrel racer I'll work on; I'm much more interested in the men's events, but she's a legend and deserved at least a stub.

I didn't even know there was a rodeo wikiproject; I'll have to check that out. I'll fix the category name and add the other articles to it. I need to create categories for the other events, and then I'll do another pass through all of the articles in the rodeo performers category. Should we leave those who do multiple events in the main category too? Karanacs (talk) 04:44, 8 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your most gracious reply. Montanabw always reminds me the important thing is to have fun. So Sherry is a legend,I guess I'll have to read up on her. Charmayne James which I'm writing at montanabw's suggestion is also a legend, one of two of the first barrel horse racers being inducted into the ProRodeo Hall of Fame this year. Scamper, her horse, was the first horse in 1996. Now another horse is being inducted this year too. They are inducting from the WPRA starting this year. It's a big step for the PRCA. Also, I thought go Mary Burger for winning the NFR at 68 years old last year!

I didn't mean to lead you astray, there isn't a rodeo wiki project per say. Although the higher ups have been discussing creating a rodeo task force. And because there isn't one, a lot of the articles have fallen under the purview of the agriculture (under its livestock taskforce) and the equine wikiproject. Some things covered by our projects are obviously bucking bulls, rodeo horses, and we watch bull riders which are under various biography projects with no one really seeming to watch them now but us, I just suggested to montanabw we add the ProRodeo Hall of Fame since we have been the only ones guarding it for quite awhile. Also, the Bull Riding Hall of Fame, the Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association, the Professional Bull Riders, Steer riding, Calf roping, Bucking bull, Bull, Lasso, Bronco, Animal treatment in rodeo, Professional Bull Riders: Heroes and Legends among others. The Rodeo article falls under many wikiprojects, one of which is ours. P.S. also bucking horses, barrel racing horses fall into wpeq. dawnleelynn^(talk) 03:23, 9 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Those who are in multiple events should still be in the main category meaning the Rodeo category? Or the Rodeo performers category? I checked it out, the Rodeo performers category is a child of Rodeo. And the Rodeo category needs cleaned up. It has several sub-categories. And it also has individual pages that are redundant because they are in the sub-categories. Like Bushwacker and Steer riding. So any article that is in a category that is a child of Rodeo performers will be in Rodeo in the sense that it shows up as a sub-category of Rodeo. It would be redundant to have them show up as a page in Rodeo too. So the Bull riders and Bucking bulls sub-categories show up in Rodeo category already as a sub-category. I think that's how it should work. But please tell me if you a different perspective by all means. You've been doing this a lot longer than I have! :))

A good example of performers who are in multiple events are Jim Shoulders, Trevor Brazile, or Ty Murray. We could use them to test out how they appear in multiple categories if need be. Just a thought.

Karen, I'm looking at the category Rodeo performers. And to tell you the truth I'm just not sure if it's just supposed to list the sub-categories. Once we added the categories bucking bulls and bull riders, are we really supposed to take out the rodeo performers category out of the individual articles? Then Rodeo performers would sure be a short category page then. Maybe we might want to ask Montanabw too. I not ashamed to admit I'm no expert on using categories. I don't want to pull the Rodeo performer category out of the articles with the bucking bull category until I'm sure that is what you are supposed to do when you make the bucking bull category a child of rodeo performer...same with the bull riders category. dawnleelynn^(talk) 17:41, 8 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Karen, to clarify I just meant montanabw knows the original structure set up of the rodeo categories and I don't so maybe she could shed some light.

I just set up the main article for the inductee category following the two examples set forth. Take a look and decide which method you prefer, and I can remove the one you don't. Well, go here first. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Pro_Rodeo_Hall_of_Fame_inductees And you'll see this: 1. The main article for this category is ProRodeo Hall of Fame. or 2. ProRodeo Hall of Fame first link - would always be first link.

Ok, and here's where I read about it and set it up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:FAQ/Categorization#Can_categories_be_renamed.2C_moved.2C_or_redirected.3F Maintaining Categories and The cat main template. Ok. and wanted to tell you that there are many orphaned rodeo topics (no wiki project. I am trying to find them all. And please no matter what all I tell you, just have fun and I have no expectation of you to do more than you want to do. Ciao! dawnleelynn^(talk) 00:06, 9 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) We’ve tossed around the creation of a rodeo wikiproject, probably a “child” of one of the “parent” projects but the trick is figuring where the parent is… WPEQ would be the usual suspect, but as Dawnleelynn points out, we also have cows, agriculture, etc… and WP Sports may also decide to get involved (though I posted that that project once about this and don’t think anyone bit…). I recently created the Harness racing task force off of WikiProject Horse racing, but that was easy to figure out. Rodeo… not quite sure how to handle it, but I think we do need a wikiproject for it. Thoughts, all? Montanabw^(talk) 01:31, 9 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Montanabw I would go for either creating a rodeo task force under WP:EQ or creating a new wikiproject for Rodeo. If we did that, we should probably delete the agriculture - livestock taskforce though. It would be nice to also tag all of the orphaned rodeo articles under the new project too.

Karen, I saw you updated the category with a move. I guess the speedy delete didn't do what I thought. I did think it would correct all the articles so we didn't have to do it manually. If it would not, then bummer. So anyway, I just did the bucking bull topics because I also wanted to add the category rodeo to all of them, as several were missing. montanabw was clear that the categories were not as organized as they could be. As to your question should we leave the articles in the main article, I think now that the answer is yes. I'm going to go ahead and update the bull rider articles too, you shouldn't have to to update all of the articles yourself. dawnleelynn^(talk) 16:47, 10 April 2017 (UTC) p.s. I had some other things I wanted to check in them anyway.[reply]

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