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Nazalost, u Portugalu, Kralj je ostao upamcen kao jedan od najgorih golmana svih vremena i time kako na lokalnom portugalskom jeziku nacin kojim se izgovara njegovo prezime je isto kao i kako se izgovara muski seksualni organ, tako da je cesta pojava u razno rsnim listama tipa najgori stranci svih vremena, ili najsmesnija prezimena u istoriji portugalskog fudbala. Kad sam saznao da je preuzeo Macvu hteo sam videti hoce li primeniti ista novo sto je mogao da nauci u lisri zemalja gde je igrao, ali, ne. Kuriozitet, doveo je povremenog reprezentativca prijateljske nam Mongolije, i vest je buknula svetom jer je postao prvi mongolac u Evropi. Iako je bila 14/15 sezona i igrali su 2 ligu, mongolac je presao pola sveta da dodje do Sapca, sve da bi mu Kralj dao NULA minuta igre. Valjda su ostali napadaci bili toliko dobri i nezamenjivi da su zavrsili sezonu na 16. mestu i pali u srpsku ligu a mongolac se zahvalio Kralju i rekao da se vraca on kod svog khana, tamo se barem igra fudbal.

Zdravo drzuze. Burka sta se uradilo Hajduku. Neki krive BG, ali to nema veze sa njima. Jednostavno su prodali lokalni tajkuni klub, pokrali ga kao i opstinu dok narod i dalje cuti. Hajduk nije ugasen, samo ce biit vracen u 3. ligu. Takodje sve mlade selekcije ostaju...A-tim c eigrati u 3.Ligi.....verovatno po modifikovanim imenom OFK Haduk Kula...ostaje isti klub, nije ugasen ako mozes da poravis. Bice to sve zvanicno u petak izgleda. Hvala.--Nado158 (talk) 10:52, 1 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Pozdrav Nado, pogledacu to, ali ne brini se puno, izlazile su vesti kako se gasi i to pa masovno ljudi to dodaju,a kad bude zvanicna izjava iz kluba onda ce se tacno znati sve. FkpCascais (talk) 12:33, 1 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Can you please explain why the famous players section should stay. There is no source whatsoever for the first player yet assertions of notability and only a dead link for the second paragraph and no indication whatsoever that there are reliable sources confirming the team was strengthened. I have tagged these sections for a number of weeks and no editor has made any attempt to resolve or dispute any issue. You simply cannot pick and choose inclusion criteria or pick random players for comment. If reliable sources do not exist then an editor can't just make them up. I'm really not trying to start an edit war here but I just don't understand what bit of WP:V you think you are fulfilling by including these sections? Fenix down (talk) 14:39, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Simonovski is by far the most notable player that club had, that is well known fact in the region. He was the best Macedonian player at the time. But I already started searching for a source for it. About the second dead link, I´ll fix it, I´m not sure why is dead, but certainly the site exists and it is one of the most reliable ones for national teams and clubs players represented at time of their nt caps. FkpCascais (talk) 14:43, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If that is the case then please, as has been requested many times in the main notable players discussion, provide reliable sources that indicate it like you did at FK Rad. For the second one as has been discussed at the main conversation the fact they have been capped is not a valid criteria and what I am questioning here is the POV comment that their appearance stregthened the team. Again, that comment in particular requires a reliable source. If these are provided then I have no problem with them remaining. Fenix down (talk) 16:29, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Simonovski section is still unreferenced despite your changes, what makes him a particularly notable coach? Also, the main history part of the article says the club folded in 1941, but that the other players mentioned were selected during WWII anf then the club was merged after the war. I thnk this bit is probably better moved into the history section and the potentially confusing wording removed. Whaty do you think? Fenix down (talk) 16:47, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry, I am a bit on and off Wiki so I am not able to reply allways promtly. There are 2 facts about that club and those players:

1- When Bulgaria annexed the region of Macedonia during WWII (previously belonged to Yugoslavia, and returned after the war), Bulgaria included the club in their national competition, and the club even got to finish second played in Bulgarian league in one season. Bulgarians also included the best players of Gragjanski in their national team.

2- One on the players which was included was Kiril Simonovski (at time player, not coach) and he got renamed by Bulgarians as "Kiril Simeonov". He was already by then considered the most importnt player (that fact was mentioned in a Macedonian Football Association article on him which is found on his article but is now a deadlink, but I edited it and remember well). After the war, the region was restored to Yugoslavia, the club disbanded, and Simonovski moved to Partizan and became the first ethnic Macedonian to play for the Yugoslav national team. The other players that played for Bulgaria never got to play for Yugoslavia later, Simonovski was the exception.

But, OK, it can be added in the text, no problem with that. I´ll see some copies of the books I have about football from that period from the region and I´ll try to source as much as I can. Regarding the peakock word "strenghtened", I already removed it, and I agree with you. FkpCascais (talk) 18:18, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Da li mozes da prebacis Spartak na novu stranicu, posto se klub vise ne zove Spartak Zlatibor Voda(sutnuli su ZV deo, fala bogu, konacno)

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Ne mogu jer je FK Spartak Subotica vec redirect, to moze samo amdinistrator da uradi, zamolicu na WP:FOOTY. FkpCascais (talk) 18:17, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi there. I know Albanian isn't one of the several languages that used to be named "serbo-croat", but I still thought I'd ask you for help. In the recent year, more or less every Norwegian footballer of Kosovo-Albanian descent (except for those who are already cap-tied for Norway, like Ardian Gashi and Valon Berisha) has "declared to Albanian media that they want to play for Albania". Examples are in Mërgim Hereqi, Flamur Kastrati and Zymer Bytyqi's articles, but I wonder how reliable this is. Except for Herolind Shala, which has already represented Albania, there has been no mention about this in Norwegian media. Given your experience with football in the Balkans, I was hoping that you could help me to find out how reliable this is, and if you are able to translate - is it the players that wants to represent Albania, or is it Albania that wants to recruit these players? Cheers, Mentoz86 (talk) 09:27, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Mentoz, I´ll take a look at this today. I don´t speak Albanian at all, so I´ll have to rely on Google translation. FkpCascais (talk) 13:03, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Mërgim Hereqi said that in 2008, and Flamur Kastrati said it recently, this is the translation of one oof the links here, and Zymer Bytyqi said "Bytyqi: I give up on an invitation from Norway to Albania Team A". Those seem to be the most important Albanian sports media. Seems quite possible that those players play on both sides counting with both options, to play for Norway or for Albania, depending on the opportunities. The Albanian natinal team has been including numerous players of Albanian descent born abroad, and they seem to allways follow such players and ask them if they want to play for Albania. Those players probably say "yes" to the Albanian media, but skip mentioning it to the Norwegian one :D FkpCascais (talk) 13:35, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the belated reply. Thanks for having a look at this. I guess I'd have to leave the text in the article, even though it hurts to see Norwegians stating they want to play for another nation than Norway. ;) Mentoz86 (talk) 10:04, 3 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Hvala na medalji ili sta je vec haha,nastavicu da prosirujem moj gradski klub,tj.Slobodu.Sad cu skoro da zapocnem sezonu 2009-10 i unazad dok su jos bili u srpskoj ligi zapad..Pozdrav za tebe i jos jednom hvala na medalji..

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gello, I think the best 23 mans squad, would be more better on wikipedia pages, cause current call-ups doesn.t make sense I think. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk • contribs) 16:05, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hvala za Barn-zvezdu! Sve najbolje, Zastavafan76 (talk) 21:16, 11 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Wow. How childish. --DemirBajraktarevic (talk) 21:50, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Olá meu caro FKP, AL "por aqui",

mais um favorzinho com as traduções em sérvio, só te leva um minuto (e já é esticar muito!). No Javier Clemente, por favor dás uma olhadela nas referências #12 e #13? É só ver se a primeira tem a tradução correcta, e traduzir a segunda. Apenas e só.

Um muito obrigado de antemão, espero que tudo esteja bem com o meu caro. Abraços! --AL (talk) 02:33, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ta tudo bem, espero que contigo também. Vou já ver isso. FkpCascais (talk) 02:38, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Acting as a proxy for a blocked editor is a bad. You should stop doing that. bobrayner (talk) 13:41, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Greetings,

I would like your opinion on this matter. BobRayner made three reverts in last 24 hours on same page http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=NATO_bombing_of_Yugoslavia&action=history. I would like to know if this is against the rules and if it is to who can we complain? Taataa 212.178.248.59 (talk) 18:35, 30 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I like the way Evlekis is pretending that he doesn't now if there is a WP:3RR or not. He's a funny guy! IJA (talk) 22:21, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again, just wanted to tell you boobrayner is using sock excuse on this article, here is the history http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=NATO_bombing_of_Yugoslavia&action=history

PS Oh and IJA, you can use IP locator to see I am not Evlekis ;) Taataa 109.106.231.225 (talk) 00:07, 4 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I like the way you pretended not to know about the WP:3RR. You blatantly do know about it. Anyway, whoever's sock you are, you'll get caught eventually. Regards IJA (talk) 21:55, 4 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest, I misread WP:33R, thinking you can only make two not three edits within 24 hours. But, hey I am still learning :). Oh, once again I am not a sock, but who cares lol.....and thank you for the kind threats, it makes me feel welcomed to this place. TaaTaa 109.106.229.209 (talk) 09:03, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Reported . Cognoscerapo (talk) 09:52, 5 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Reported. Goodbye to your editing. Cognoscerapo (talk) 15:46, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, you really like to threat people, not just me, but established Users too like FkpCascais. That is not nice, polite or constructive. TaaTaa 109.106.229.209 (talk) 16:15, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Why? You ask., well, here is the answer why[2], [3]. It is because they rightfully belong to Category:Gjakova like Đakovica([4]). The rules are simple, when an edit is done by a sockpuppet, it must be removed even if it is constructive. And as you see, the article title+Cyrillic have been taken out of the Đakovica infobox to make it nice and neutral :) . 94.196.112.48 (talk) 18:55, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

		The Barnstar of Good Humor
		Gjakova refers to itself as Gjakova, not Đakovica, in English. Serbian is not English. English is English. It's quite simple. bobrayner (talk) 10:27, 23 December 2013 (UTC)[reply] The city speaks and refers to itself? FkpCascais (talk) 17:27, 23 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Many thanks :) FkpCascais (talk) 04:59, 24 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

for moderating a highly tedious discussion. Praxis Icosahedron ϡ (TALK) 21:36, 24 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I want also to thank you Praxis Icosahedron for the same reason. I was a bit hard on you at the begining of that discussion, and I appreciate a lot that we focused only on the content itself and that way we were able to conclude the discussion. I have to admit that the reason of the initial reaction of mine were your edit-summaries. I was left with the impression that you considered that the events from the Bosnian War should have influence over the edits, and I disagreed with that. I don´t want to leave the impression of being unfair, or that I ignore the suffering of the victims of Serb forces during the war. However, it´s hard to quantify the suffering. What I mean is that in my view, we all suffered (and still suffer), regardless of the ethnicity. There was tremendous manipulation and propaganda from all sides, and the people from all sides became victims. Beside a bunch of people that profited from the war (and there are few in all suides), I think that everyone else in bigger or lesser extent suffered greatly. For instance, part of my family are Serbs from Sarajevo. They didn´t participated in the war and they didn´t even supported no one. They were real Yugoslavs in spiryth. However they suffered greatly in a Bosnian dominated part of Sarajevo where they lived for generations and used to have quite a comfortable life. Because they were Serbs, they had terrible experiences and witnessed horrible events. After much pressure, their homes were occupied and still today they didn´t recovered all their property, some of which is inhabited by some former BiH Army commander... By telling you this oppenly here I really don´t pretend anything else but simple peace and, if possible, progress. I condemn all bad things done by all sides, and I don´t pretend at all to make comparisons neither to quantify something which is impossible to quantify, lifes and the suffering. I just mean that one can´t do things by charging some debt because of past events. One could eventually say that what that part of my family suffered/suffers is fair because other Serbs in other places did worste to Bosnian families. Neither I should now act in a way of revenge for what that part of my family suffered. That war was so dirty. I know this may look that my intention is to equalize all and that way spare the ones you consider guilties, but beleave me, it is not my pretention. But I do find that nationalists and extremists from all sides were kind of almost equally bad. And the rest, well, besides few, the rest of ordinary people were just manipulated sheeps listening to their ethnic group propaganda which existed from all sides. At least we, the already established editors more familiarised with the wiki principles, can try to leave nationalism aside, and when confronted with it, we can try at least not to add fuel to it.

Now, returning to the subject itself, it was great to see that with good will consensus can be archived. I think everyone at any point can challenge it and open the discussion again, but at least now we have a centralised place with a discussion to point out whenever some user or IP bothers with this. Not sure if you celebrate Christmass tonigh, if you do I wish you marry Christmass, and anyway I send you kind regards, FkpCascais (talk) 22:54, 24 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What you say is completely true. A Serb victim is no less important or a tragedy than a non-Serb one simply because there were more of the latter. Qualitative and quantitative differences are only subject to judicial and political contexts whereas human suffering is always human suffering. My initial objection was never meant to be a collective incrimination of Serbs, but were specifically directed towards that specific user who made the edits. These edits in my opinion were part of dishonest intentions. The same kind of intentions I would object to if a Bosniak or Croat advanced them. The essential feature about Bosnia and Herzegovina is its sharing by three native peoples; Bosnia and Herzegovina was and is Bosniak, Serb and Croat. It can never be the state of one nation, but only the collective and equal home of all three communities which must respect their co-existence and not try to subdue and dominate each other. Whether reading an article about Croat-dominated Tomislavgrad, Bosniak-dominated Zenica or Serb-dominated Trebinje, one must not receive the impression of those towns as being either Serb, Bosniak or Croat, but equally much Serb, Bosniak and Croat. Such is the constitution, and any attempt to establish any kind of exclusive nation state in Bosnia and Herzegovina will only lead down a path of destruction and death, as it already did. All sides suffered and no one needed this war, it was the brain child of sick minds that forged hatred and fears among people. However, with regard to my edits, I do not consider myself as having responded with nationalism, but rather to nationalism. I deeply apologize if my actions suggest else. Thank you so much and I wish you a merry Christmas as well (though you guys celebrate it in January if I am not mistaken)! P.S. If anyone should claim the discussion re-opened they better have novel perspectives to add; spinning the same old arguments would be pointless. Praxis Icosahedron ϡ (TALK) 05:05, 25 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I see perfectly what you mean and I agree with your concerns about the impression one can give by editing in a certain way. That is also what lead me to incentivate a centralized discussion where we could all express our concerns and hear each other. We found a, at least temporary but hopefully permanent, solution without much pain. It would be great to see eventual future challenges being solved as this one was. Poke me at any time :) FkpCascais (talk) 07:48, 25 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Jel možeš da mi nađeš rezultate Makedonskog kupa u sezonama od 93 do 97. Jolicnikola (talk) 19:26, 27 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hm, na rsssf nema... Pogledaću večeras sve što imam da vidim da nema negde. FkpCascais (talk) 21:49, 27 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nisam nigde našao. :( FkpCascais (talk) 04:00, 28 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Jel možeš da napraviš članke makedonskih igrača koji nemaju stranicu a da imaju uslova za to. Unapred zahvalan. Jolicnikola (talk) 17:18, 28 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ti poseti http://eu-football.info pronađi bazu igrača iz Makedonije i postavi ih na vikipediju. Jolicnikola (talk) 21:58, 28 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Baš zbog toga jer sam hteo da vidim koji igrači fale sam i napravio bio pre jedno godinu dana ovu listu: List of Macedonia international footballers i upotrebio EU-Football kao jedan od izvora. Ali Nikola, do negde oko 3-4 januara neću baš imati mnogo slobodnog vremena :/ FkpCascais (talk) 22:28, 28 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Biću strpljiv, imam i drugih stvari. Jolicnikola (talk) 22:39, 28 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Pa nisam mislio listu nego igrače. Jolicnikola (talk) 22:54, 28 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nikola, ja stvarno neću uskoro imati vremena. Em što ove nedelje zbog nove godine i ostalog nemam stvarno mnogo slobodnog vremena da editujem, em što sam potpuno bačen na drugi deo, na editovanje našeg fudbala, igrača i trenera od pre 1945. Isto imam na stand-by da napravim članke poput "Velika četvorka", da proširim članke "Football in Serbia, Yugoslavia, i druge" u kojima fali mnogo stvari iz istorije. Imam i nekoliko sezona druge lige FR Yugoslavia još ne napravljene koje me čekaju već godinu dana da ih uradim (od 1994 do 1999). Imam i gomilu drugih članaka koji me čekaju poput "X Football Subassociation" (napravio sam od Belgrade, Skopje, Kragujevac, Novi Sad, Niš i Veliki Bečkerek, a fale Sarajevo, Cetinje, Zagreb, Ljubljana...), imam Belgrade Subassociation sezone da napravim (napravio sam neke kao 1939–40 Serbian League ali fale sve od 1923 do 1939 kao i 1943-44)...

Od makedonskih igrača sam uradio već dosta onih koji su falili (možeš na mojoj strani da vidiš koje sam napravio). Znam da fali još nekliko njih. Napravio sam bazu za tebe da im praviš članke, evo ovde: User:FkpCascais/Sandbox41 . Klikni na "edit" i copy/paste tamo šta imam, i onda samo popunjavaj polja. Svaki igrač koji ima barem 1 reprezentativni nastup može da ima člnak, kao i da nema reprezentativni nastup ali da barem ima 1 nastup u jednoj profesionalnoj ligi sa ove liste: WP:FPL. Na ovoj strani User:FkpCascais/Sandbox17 imaš sve izvore koje koristim. Za makedonske igrače, ako su reprezentativci najbolje EU-Football.info za reprezentativne nastupe, National-Football-Teams.com za klubove i nastupe u ligi do 2006-07, za nastupe iz lige iz skorašnjih sezona najbolji Soccerway.com, za reprezentacije U-21, U-19, U-17 najbolji uefa.com, i pogledaj da li ima na macedonianfootball.com nešto o tom igraču. FkpCascais (talk) 18:11, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hvala. Jolicnikola (talk) 18:15, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Eto mene opet, a sad jedno pitanje možeš li da napraviš stranice igrača splitskog Hajduka i makedonske fudbalere (izvini što te opet o tome pitam), a da nemaju stranicu, ako imaš vremena. Jolicnikola (talk) 23:28, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ali Nikola, samo jedno pitanje, zasto hoces ja da ih napravim? Video sam neke igrace kojima si napravio stranu, odlicno si ih uradio. FkpCascais (talk) 00:52, 8 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Pa imam druga posla oko pravljenja stranica o sezonama Hajduka, pa sam ti hteo u tome prepustiti. U međuvremenu sam napravio članak o Zlatomiru Obradovu. Jolicnikola (talk) 01:10, 8 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nemoj nista da mi prepustas, jer ja ne znam sta cu pre. Jos nisam nista uradio ni od onih hitnih stvari sto sam ti bio nabrajao da imam da uradim. Ja sam predhodnih godina mnogo vise editovao, ali sad ove zadnje godine nemam vise toliko vremena. Vecinom nocu kad ne mogu da zaspim (kao veceras) pregledam moj watchlist, malo editujem i to vecinom neke sitne stvari, ili ucestvujem u ovoj ili onoj debati. Uvrh glave napravim ponekad neku novu stranu nekom starom treneru, igracu ili predratnom klubu, ali otprilike 2-3 strane mesecno. Sadasnje igrace skoro uopste ne editujem. Sad vec zadnjih jedno mesec dana zvrndam po online knjigama i arhivima starih novina da bi popunio nesto sto nema nigde na internatu, a to je ovo: User:FkpCascais/Sandbox39. Ne vredi da mi trazis da pravim tebi strane, jer to je kao kad bih ja tebi trazio da mi napravis red-linkove sa te liste :/ ... Radi polako, nema zurbe, ja radim stvari godinama, nema problema. Sve sto mozes sam da uradis, uradi (tako i ja radim), a tu sam da ti pomognem sta god treba sto ne mozes sam (informacije da ti nabavim, i to). FkpCascais (talk) 02:23, 8 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Saying "bla bla bla" when you're trying to make a point makes it difficult for the person you're arguing with to take your argument seriously. FYI - and you've done that 3 times with me --DemirBajraktarevic (talk) 12:32, 11 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Bogami, baš si se zdao...

Probaj na forumu fk vojvodina, pod delom downloads da vidis. Ima nesto knjiga vezanih za istoriju FK Vojvodine koje bi ti mogle biti od koristi.

Samo napred, voleo bih da vidim krajnji rezultat :)

Bora83ns (talk) 08:40, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Can you take a look at [5] - lots of number changes mentioning a 2013 census but no source. Seems a bit early for the results of a census last year, but maybe there is such a source. Dougweller (talk) 10:01, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Last time I saw a discussion about this, the results were not released yet, but I honestly don´t know if they are available now or not. I´ll drop him a message at his talk page asking him if he can provide a source with the results. FkpCascais (talk) 10:05, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You already dropped him a message :) I wrote him in Serbo-Croatian as well in case he is not fluent in English. I´ll try to see in the meantime if the results were released. FkpCascais (talk) 10:12, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Here it is: preeliminary results. They correspond to the ones the user has been adding. I´m not sure how we deal here on wiki regarding preeliminary results. FkpCascais (talk) 10:29, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't either but perhaps you could ask the editor to provide that link at least? Then hopefully someone will update it. Right now it almost looks like the number vandalism that is far too frequent. Thanks a lot for your response. Dougweller (talk) 10:38, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The user has been inactive for some 5-6 hours by now, and we both dropped him a message asking him for a source. However, it does seem that he has been adding the numbers found on the official preeliminary results, so it doesn´t seem to be vandalism. At least the numbers I checked he added do correspond to the ones found there. Also, I was looking more carefully to the issue, and it does seem that those results are definite regarding the numbers, the thing that was still not released is the ethnic composition, which will be released later in July this year. So it seems quite safe for now to add those numbers from this table. The best I can do is to check them one-by-one and add the source next it? I´ll do that today. FkpCascais (talk) 11:10, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Jel možeš da mi napraviš stranice o sezonama Kupa SR Jugoslavije? Ja sam radio sezone Kupa Srbije i Crne Gore pa da mi dovršiš taj posao okupiran sam drugim stvarima na wikipediji (Hajdukove sezone, igrači itd.). Ja govorim o fudbalu da ne bi ti bilo zabune. Jolicnikola (talk) 20:42, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. Imaš ti godišnjaka na http://en.calameo.com/subscriptions/2955541 pa tamo možes da zakopaš šta ti nađeš i šta misliš da treba prepišeš u wikipediju (od njih napraviti stranice, od njih proširivati i itd.). Jolicnikola (talk) 01:27, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Puno hvala Nikola za link, vidim da ima tamo godisnjake nekih sezona koje nisam nikad video. Bas ti hvala! FkpCascais (talk) 02:37, 11 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi. A while ago I set out a proposal for Kosovo place names at Talk:Srbica. You said that you supported such a solution and commented that you had an "agreement" with Albanian editors "regarding that issue about birthplaces for football related artcles". That agreement seems to have been scrapped with User:IJA changing the names of birthplaces of people born before 2008 into Albanian names instead of the then-official and historically accurate ones. I suggest you have a look at this. 23 editor (talk) 19:09, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There hasn't been any name changes, both names are acceptable and both have been used historically in the English language. Nothing exists about using the Serbian name pre-2008. You have just invented that. This hasn't been agreed to. IJA (talk) 19:12, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please try inserting St. Petersburg in an article concerning Leningrad in 1955 and see what happens. It won't work. Your little pseudohistorical renaming spree will stop and I will take this to Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. 23 editor (talk) 19:26, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

With St Petersburg, there was an official name change during Soviet times. There hasn't been a name change with Gjakova/ Đakovica. Both are used and both have historically been used in Yugoslavia. Please feel free to take it to a dispute resolution where you will be shot down in flames with your myth about the historical name. Not to mention your comparison to cities which have had an official name change. IJA (talk) 19:43, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Really? There wasn't an official name change after 1912? Prove it. 23 editor (talk) 19:47, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It is impossible to prove a negative as it didn't happen. IJA (talk) 19:50, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

How is it proving a negative? You're the one who brought it up. 23 editor (talk) 19:55, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

One cannot prove something didn't happen because the fact it didn't happen means there is no evidence. Read Russell's teapot, he is better at explaining 'proving a negative'. IJA (talk) 20:17, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Really, you can't prove something that (allegedly) didn't happen. Bobrayner certainly seems to think so . Of course fallacies in logic can be manipulated when they suit the other side, isn't that right? 23 editor (talk) 20:24, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't go off topic. IJA (talk) 22:38, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I wasn´t much active this weekend... For the Yugoslav period, certainly until at least 1999, I do support the use of Serbo-Croatian names. The agreement I had was about it, and also about club names, for instance to use FK Priština until 1999 and FC Prishtina only after. FkpCascais (talk) 13:17, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

And on it continues. 23 editor (talk) 23:09, 12 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, could I trouble you for a full citation for the information that you added to Ivo Pavelić's article? The current format does not provide enough information for me to produce a proper citation that could be used to verify the material (for example, there's no title or author information that I can use to identify the book on Worldcat). Thanks. Canadian Paul 22:38, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I see, no problem. The book title is "Beogradski sokolovi" from 2003, the author is Petar M. Prokić, the page is 36, and the full quotation is (its the fourth paragraph), translated from Serbian:

Trouth be said, before him there were other players that played for the (Yugoslav) national team and were Soko players, Ivan Pavelić debuted (for the national team) just a few days after leaving to Zagreb´s Concordia; and Milutin Ivković and Stojan Popović (played for national team) before they came to Soko.

I beleave here you can find all pages of the book (is it opening to you?). FkpCascais (talk) 01:17, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, much appreciated. And you reminded me to put the stats back in the article, from which they'd been removed. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 10:10, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ja sam napravio članak o Tatri iz Kisača i planiram da napravim još nekoliko o klubovima iz mesta u kojima su većinom Slovaci. Pa sam te zamolio da ako imaš malo vremena (znam ja da ustvari nemaš vremena) da mi pomogneš u pravljenju člankova tako da dopuniš podacima iz istorije klubova. Ako ja nemam vremena ili sam okupiran obavezama oko vikipedije i drugih obavezama a i ti imaš vremena da napraviš poneki članak o tim klubovima iz tih mesta. Unapred zahvalan. Jolicnikola (talk) 02:54, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Problem tih klubova moze da bude "notability". Recimo stalno brisu cak i vece klubove kao FK Šumadija Aranđelovac ili FK Vujić Voda Valjevo jer kao neprolaze "notabilty". Nisam tacno siguran oko tog "notability". Mislim da sem profesionalnih liga, moraju da imaju barem jedan nastup u 16tini finala kupa ili tako nesto... A moram da ti priznam da bas nista o tim klubovima ne znam. Sto se slovaka iz Vojvodine tice sve sto sam napravio je clanak o Ján Podhradský. Ne znam je li mogu puno da pomognem a ne znam ni da li ti klubovi prolaze "notability" da im ne bi izbrisali clanak u slucaju da im napravimo. FkpCascais (talk) 03:55, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ja ću ako zaprete brisanjem te članke ću prebaciti pod prefiksom User:Jolicnikola/. Jolicnikola (talk) 04:00, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A ima i nekoliko usera iz tog kraja (npr. IvanKlinko i Klačko) pa mogli bi mi oni da mi pomognu. Jolicnikola (talk) 04:08, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Bolje njih pitaj jer ja moram da ti priznam da bas nista o tim klubovima ne znam, cak nisam ni cuo za njih. Jedino sto me interesuje vezano za to je da nisu mozda u tim klubovima ponikli ili igrali neki slovacki reprezentativci, kao na primer Podhradsky. Ako nadjes nekog javi mi. FkpCascais (talk) 04:31, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Moja greška nemaju talk stranice pa ne mogu, ja odustajem od tvoje pomoći. Ali ako pronađem neke stranice sa istorijom klubova i neke usere ja ću ti se javiti. Izvini što sam te ja napunio tim postovima. Jolicnikola (talk) 04:35, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nema problema, pozdrav Nikola! FkpCascais (talk) 05:23, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

E ćao, evo me pišem, izvini što ti remetim mir i pišem u prazno ako nisi tu (nemaš vremena, znam da su Uskršnji praznici). Nego ja opet pišem o tim klubovima gde je slovačka većina. A da te ja pitam jel možeš da gugluješ onu istoriju tih klubova, igrače (znam da imaš Pohradskog) i igrališta na kojima igraju. Unapred hvala. Jolicnikola (talk) 22:16, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ispravka: mislio sam da napišem o klubovima iz mesta gde je slovačka veličina, izvinjavam se ja zbog toga, greška u pisanju. Jolicnikola (talk) 22:18, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Evo vodi cu se po ovom clanku Slovaks in Vojvodina i mesta koja su tu spomenuta, pa cu videti sta mogu da nadjem. FkpCascais (talk) 02:05, 19 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nasao sam grb SŠK Petrovec, vidi JUGOSLAWIEN&cat2=WOJWODINA&cat3=BACKI PETROVAC - Slovacki Sportski Klub&show ovde . FkpCascais (talk) 03:21, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As you have edited that page, you are welcome to participate in a discussion that is taking place at Template_talk:WW2InfoBox#Allies. Thank you. ^walk victor falk ^talk 03:22, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. FkpCascais (talk) 04:01, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, i would like to have your opinion about a discussion which i started here, thank.Kingroyos (talk) 23:10, 27 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Da li bi mi mogao pomoći da prijavis ip korisnika 46.163.63.73 koji vandalizuje clanke. Ima ga na clanku o Meši Selimoviću gde uporno negira izvore i pise kako je Selimovic bosanski pisac, takodje i stari problemi sa ćirilicom gde na mesta iz Republike Srpske :Novi Grad, Bileću i Bilećko jezero stavlja nekakvu bosansku ćirilicu a znamo da se u Republici Srpskoj govori srpski jezik i srpska cirilica. To je korisnik DemirBajraktarevic kome je zbog vandalizovanja već blokiran nalog i vec nekoliko puta je sa ip adresom takodje blokiran. Ja sam sad vratio kako treba ali će on verovatno doći i poništiti moje izmene. Ako ga možeš prijaviti bio bih ti zahvalan. pozdrav--93.86.87.202 (talk) 14:33, 31 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hoceli to jarane ;)?--Nado158 (talk) 15:54, 2 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Dogovor na WP:Bosnia je postignut da stoji [ [Serbian Cyrillic alphabet|Cyrillic] ]: posledaj na talk page od njihovog WikiProject. ... Nemam puno slobodnog vremena ovih dana, malo editujem. FkpCascais (talk) 21:36, 2 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, no problem, I also have not so much time. Ja nisam onaj lik gore, ja sam pitao samo ovako, sta radis, kako si itd. Thats all. So, do you like the article of FK Jagodina? I improved it.--Nado158 (talk) 11:23, 5 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

see this [[6]]

?--Nado158 (talk) 16:49, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it needs sourcing directly please - and as soon as possible - per WP:V and WP:BLP. GiantSnowman 18:52, 3 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I know they do, and I know why. Also, I didn´t noteced his soccerway page was missing, which indicates his cup title of this season. FkpCascais (talk) 19:40, 3 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That's great, thanks! GiantSnowman 19:46, 3 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is the better Name for englisch Wikipedia, as well as at Red Star Belgrade. I think Rad Belgrade, Cukaricki Belgrade, Vozdovac Belgrade, Partizan Belgrade, OFK Belgrade, Radnicki Kragujevac, Obilic Belgrade (it also refer to English-speaking people, see Google) ect. It is for the English WP the correct lemma, better designation, also looks better, instead of FK FK FK FK FK FK. For example, we have Borussia Dortmund, but after the treatmant similar to the clubs who i mentioned, its must written, BvB Dortmund, but is terrible rigth? I think also. So what you think bro? This FK is not good belive me. Better Partizan Belgrade (Footballclub), Partizan Belgrade (Basketballclub), only at FK Jagodina and FK Novi Pazar its ok, because they dont have a name infront of the cityname.

What is better?

1. Partizan Belgrade
2. Spartak Subotica
3. Vojvodina Novi Sad
4. Sloboda Uzice
5. Cukaricki Belgrade

or

1. FK Partizan
2. FK Spartak Subotica
3. FK Vojvodina Novi Sad
4. FK Sloboda Uzice
5. FK Cukaricki

I think the first example for the forgein player or readers if you understand ;)?. The company Facebook delate also the first name "The Facebook", you know why ;)?Nado158 (talk) 12:01, 5 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It is not a good move because, for instance, Vojvodina has many clubs in many different sports, so, its better to have the official name as article title. I know what you wanted, even I said that long time ago regarding "Partizan Belgrade" and I used it in a piped way (Partizan Belgrade) in may articles and player infoboxes, but moving the article title is a major issue and needs discussion. Red Star Belgrade is named that way because of the "Red Star" part of the name: translated from the original Crvena zvezda and clearly used much more than CZ in English language sources. FkpCascais (talk) 02:27, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I do not fully share your opinion. Yes, Vojvodina has many clubs in many different sports, like many other clubs in Serbia also, also Cukaricki, but we can write Vojvodina Novi Sad (Footballclub), Vojvodina Novi Sad (Basketballclub) ect. In Austria, Switzerland ect. nobody say FK Partizan, FK Cukaricki, FK FK FK ect, they say, Partizan Belgrade, Cukaricki Belgrade, Sporting Lissabon, Real Madrid (not Real Madrid CF), Roter Stern Belgrad ect, and they clearly used much more this versions. This FK, VK, HK, BK, RK ect. interfere totaly. We can explain this in the introduction. And also in England clearly used much more Red Star Belgrade, Partizan Belgrade, Cukaricki Belgrade, Radnicki Kragujevac ect than FK Radnicki 1923. Ovo je lose, jel unistavamo imena sa FK, BK itd. i takodje sa ubacivanjem godinsa osnivanja u imena, veruj mi. Mi smo navikli na ta imena pa nam svuce ok ili dobro, ali kad neko cuje prvi put FK Radnicki 1923, brate nezvuci ni malo dobro. Naravno posle nekog vremena svako ime zvuci ok ili dobro, tako je bilo i kod dosta Ruskih klubova. Secam se kad ni jedan svabo nije znao da izgovori Ruska imen itd, sada ga bolje izgovaraju nego Rusi sami i zvuci dobro. Naravno sve je to navika, ali sta fali Rad Belgrade, Hajduk Kula, Partizan Belgrade, Radnicki Kragujevac, Sloboda Uzice, Spartak Subotica, Radnicki Nis itd....sto samo mi unistavamo svoja imena?...FK, VK, RK itd. To se moze sve lepo objasniti u tekstu. To je i marketinski bolje, mnogo bolje. Nekazem ja da prodajemo nasa imena za tudji jezik, sigunrno ne, ali ovde mi imamo korist, samo zato, a i nemenjamo imena. Isto vazi za Sloboda Uzice, ja nisam za to da pise oLiberty Uzice, ni u zivotu, ali samo Sloboda Uzice (football) ili (footballclub), znaci bez FK. Linking we can do of course. Sto se tice beogradskih klubova, u inostranstvu dodaju svim klubovima i ime grada, cak ako ga i nema.--Nado158 (talk) 09:52, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ma razumem te Nado, i nije da ja uopste forsiram "nasa" imena, nego ne verujem da ce ovo proci na WP:FOOTY. Prvo zato sto vecina (ako ne svi) klubovi imaju druge sportove (RK, OK, itd.), i drugo zato sto na wiki ako klub nema jasan commonname (kao primer Zvezde je Red Star Belgrade) onda kao naslov koristi zvanicno ime kluba. Vidi recimo Category:Football clubs in Portugal i od drugih drzava... Vidis recimo Sporting Clube de Portugal? To je SPorting Lisbon. Ali naslov je ipak zvanican. Category:Association football clubs by country tu su sve zemlje, znas verovatno. To sto ti zelis sam ja fakticki uradio na List of foreign footballers in top leagues of former Yugoslavia za klube cele bivse Juge i napravio redirect za te strane. Mozemo da koristimo takva imena kakva hoces na tabelama lige da se vidi grad, itd. Ali kao naslov nece proci. I najvise se ti gradovi koriste kad ima klubova sa istim imenon iz vise gradova, reciimo Mladost Apatin, Lucani, itd. FkpCascais (talk) 13:51, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

OK :/, razumem. E, malo sam popravio stranu Jagodine i Cukarickog, neznam jel si video. Auuu sta urade sa CZ, brate mili, koji mi potencijal imamo a naprave od nas najgore. Unistili Vosu, Partizan propada uskoro, niko u zatvoru, Tole Terzic i dalje tu, strasno. Bicemo mi najgori na Balkanu, blizu smo. Malo sam i sredio stranu na WP o Toletu ;). Pozz.--Nado158 (talk) 17:27, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Voleo bi uzivo da pricam, sa tobom o fudbalu.--Nado158 (talk) 17:57, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

p...--Nado158 (talk) 16:50, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please help, the other users understand nooothingggg and try to put they POV there.--Nado158 (talk) 14:36, 13 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I´ll try but I wan´t have much time today to be here... Just be cool. There needs to be found a solution for all articles: FK Trepča and KF Trepça where all positions will be represented. FkpCascais (talk) 15:55, 13 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Kasno i gotovo je. Ovde vlada takva diskriminizacija protiv sve sto je Srpsko to je uzas. Jednosatavno nemam i nisam imao vise zivaca, toliko lazi i toliko patimo pod diskriminizacijom na Wikipeidji, to je strasno. See, becaue i improved the FK Trepca side they want to bann me for 1 year, but the other users can do what they want with Serbian articles and history. Pazi, ima samo jedna FK Trepca, i to je nasa iz 1932. Nemogu on da se osnivaju svoj club 1999 i da ukradu i stadion, i prostorij i pehare i jos reci da su oni prava Trepca i ukrasit istoriju. No, nemoze tako, nit je to priznala FIFA nit oni to mogum jel to nije priznato i nikakvu formalsnot nije sve to proslo i to je one side decision. Koliko klubova su tako nestali, stadioni dobili nova imena i grbovi promenili na KiM? Od Crvene Zvezde Gn. do FK Kosovo Polje itd. A de je kosarka i rukomet itd? Sto popravim stranu FK Trepce i objansjavam da to nije FK Partizan Kosovska Mitrovica, da je taj klub nestao itd, zato sam dobijo ....Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Nado158...--Nado158 (talk) 19:38, 14 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Just wanted to let you know, this comment amused me greatly:

"most readers of this article here on en.wiki simply want to read about what Tesla was notable for, a scientist, and not about Tesla the Great Serb, or Tesla Croatia's homeland hero. "

Cheers, FkpCascais!--Atlantictire (talk) 16:39, 18 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Eheh thank you Atlantictire but despite sounding funny, I think it is trouth. Best regards :) FkpCascais (talk) 13:44, 19 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The saddest thing is that the obsession with his ethnicity has caused everyone to miss the anti-Tesla editing that caused the article to read as if Tesla didn't deserve credit for inventing the first practical AC induction motor (you know, the one that changed the world).--Atlantictire (talk) 16:02, 20 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

...for resolving the flag issue. Some users just like to delete others work and then justify it by some dubious interpretation of guidelines. Thanks for pointing out how to contradict these users. They are detrimental to wikipedia. Have a great day! Stephreef (talk) 12:36, 19 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Stephreef. Ohconfucius is a good editor that makes a lot of very good mantainance work. However I agree he has been too strict with the interpretation of the use of flags, which in turn, is a bit vague and confusing. I defend the flags for teams in the squad templates because as a sports enthusiast I know how much they are helpfull for immediatelly recognising the players that play in the best leagues. Heva a great day too, best regards! FkpCascais (talk) 13:53, 19 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Uvek omašim kad su u pitanju ovi strani igrači, izgleda da mi je smanjena moć percepcije kad je to u pitanju.:) Zato si tu da ispraviš, jedino što mi je glupo što ti pravim dupli posao, ali sam fokusiran na to da sredim postave za klubove JSL(već sređeno) i PLS(još uvek u fazi sređivanja i piskaram za one igrače koji nemaju stranu, a imaju nastup u profesionalnoj ligi). Još kada bismo mogli da sredimo malo strane o klubovima, bilo bi dobro, ali otom-potom. Ja imam volju da sredim ovo što sam započeo, ali imam sve manje vremena zbog pokušaja pripreme za faks.:) Mada je, plašim se, badava ovo što mi na neki način utičemo na popularizaciju ovog domaćeg fudbala, kad rukovodeći slepci rade malo toga korisnog, uz dužno poštovanje prema izuzecima, naravno. U svakom slučaju, hvala na podršci i pomoći! Lotom (talk) 19:30, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ahahaha ma apsolutno nista ne brini :) nije to nikakav problem. To kod tih stranih imena nekad ih i oni imaju po 2-3 imena i prezimena... Kod ovog mi je bilo laske jer je Andul Rashid bas tipicno ime, pa zato, inace i meni se desava da promasim. Primetio sam vec kako radis odlican posao. A ovi rukovodeci slepci ne samo da ne pomazu, nego jos odmazu. Ja sam dosta zauzet ovih zadnjih nedelja pa zato nisam toliko prisutan, ali sam miran kad znam da ti i par ostalih nasih editora vodi brigu o nasim clancima. Veliki veliki pozdrav! FkpCascais (talk) 18:33, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Važi, a što se Rašida tiče, kad debituje u JSL, trebalo bi da mu napišemo biografiju, znam da ti uglavnom iskopaš podatke i informacije, ja mogu da napišem ponešto, jer sam ga gledao uživo i zaista je veoma perspektivan igrač. Od Sloge je verovatno dobio čiste papire, jer Sloga više nema finansijera, pošto je Milašinović napustio klub, tako da će sada igrati uglavnom igrači iz KV i okoline. Za igrača koji je '94, sasvim je solidan, tehnika mu nije loša, mada je, čini mi se, malo slabiji u realizaciji. U Slogi je igrao po levoj strani, krilo, mada je ponekad u toku utakmice bio vraćan na beka. Visok je, brz i mislim da izrasta u prilično dobrog igrača. Pozdrav! Lotom (talk) 21:15, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nedavno si obecao napraviti sve sezone Druge lige SR Jugoslavije, a napravio si samo prve dve. Hoces li ih napraviti ili ako ne mozes da napises razloge zasto ne mozes? Jolicnikola (talk) 20:28, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ako su ti hitne slobodno ih napravi. Jedini razlog sto ih nisam napravio je taj sto nemam bas vremena, ali ovih dana cu ih napraviti.

Jolicnikola jesi primetio onog dosadnog lika iz Australije sto se sa vremena na vreme pojavljuje pod raznim imenima i vandalizuje clanke o makedonskom fudbalu? FkpCascais (talk) 13:28, 24 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm acting upon loooong-established consensus compromise for all Croatian and ex-Yugoslav biographies, not just football ones - it's the only one that has anything of a chance to deter these common episodes of people fiddling it with because they want to mention not just Austria-Hungary or Yugoslavia, but also Croatia. Besides, the republics were in fact countries even if they weren't states at the time, so even on that semantic front, there's no reason to omit them. The football biographies are generally overrepresented in the sample of all biographies because football is popular, but that's hardly a real reason for them to deviate from the general standard. Note the limits of WP:LOCALCONSENSUS. Indeed, it would be especially weird to enforce such shortening in the case of recent footballer biographies, where the birthplace record is egregiously inconsequential to most of them - Ivan Strinić for example was four years old when Yugoslavia broke up. His relation to Yugoslavia is a curiously detailed factoid at best, and a flamebait for silly edit wars at worst. In the WP:ARBMAC topic area, everyone prefers fewer edit wars. The issue of the length of the name widening the infobox is easily fixed by adding a line break (br tag). --Joy [shallot] (talk) 07:13, 25 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Opet ja, sad sam video diskusiju oko njegovog imena. Naime, pisale su novine o tome kako je u našoj crkvi uzeo ime Đorđe. Otuda je najverovatnije usledilo ono uporno menjanje strane. Npr, Žurnal je objavio ovo: ЂОРЂЕ ИЗ ЧАДА: Бетолигар прешао у православље. Eto, to na primer ne bi bilo loše ubaciti u biografiju, ali svakako uz izvor, inače ovako se zapita čovek odakle to. Lotom (talk) 18:47, 25 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ahahaha video sam vest na zurnalu (to moze da bude izvor) kako je primio Pravosljavlje i ksrtili ga kao Djordje. Kad sam revertovao nisam imao pojma o tome i pogresio sam. Info treba da bude u clanku, ali ne u zvanicnom imenu i infoboxu. FkpCascais (talk) 17:06, 25 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello FkpCascais, hope you're also fine, thanks for being good with me in the talk. As for edits I'm saying that as for my opinion those football players in wikipedia should have called citizen in where they were born and not where they were grow up or what national team represents, for example Atdhe Nuhiu since he was born in Kosovo should called Kosovan-Albanian descent, but I readed the WP:FOOTY and I agree now. And if you have seen my User Page I take care about my national team Albania and everything linked with that, such are member football players (such as you see at my Watchlist), and as you say I've done too much work to expand and correct their pages here on wikipedia and such I must thank you for your rate to me. And also I must thank you for not being racist and violent with an Albanian like me despite you're Serbian and our countrys are most hated enemies of times. Now I must ask a question; if you are serbian and as you told you saw at your watchlist my edits, how can you watch the albanian pages despite you're serb. Thank you. Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 10:03, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ok pal, I respect you for what you are and what you think. Our story is too long and too sad. We were a great country but with the years passing, we shkrinked too much, our terrirtores passed to your country, Macedonia, Montenegro and Greece, this is the reason for hating Serbia and Greece, but also even Macedonia. We want just the justice, we want to take our terrirtores and to form great state of the Ethnic Albania as we deserve, and this starts with the Republic of Kosovo, wich serbia doesn't accept their independence. Our plan it's to accept kosovo as a independent state and then to unite with our Albania republic. This is the first reason why we hate your country, also and for the genocid that Slobodan Milošević, your former dictator made to kosovan peoples in 1999 year. As for your opinion, what you think: it's fair for kosovo to be accepted from your country Serbia, did they deserve, it's called this justice then?Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 20:33, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I though you were a good man, but you are unfair. Who are you to report me for a offence to your compatriot, it's me not someone who you doesn't know him. It wasn't any fair what UEFA did us yesterday and you know perfectly, as Branislav Ivanović declared.

As for Shrink of my country it's a long story, Kosovo is ours, Novi Pazar and Preševo Valley also, and west of Macedonia, East of Montenegro and north-west Greece.Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 12:18, 25 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Eni, you and I are wiki editors, and as such, we need to be prepared to deal with provocations without falling into insults. I hae no ideia who the editor was, but once I see you calling a Serbian editor "South-Russian", it becomes racism to me. Your ideias of Greater Albania are also not cool at all, but that is your personal view and I have nothing to do with it.

Regarding the game, I cant see how can your side complain at all. You provoked the incident, your players stared running to grab the flag and were pushing Serbian players. You all knew that was a huge provocation. I suppose you never qualify for major tournaments so the hole issue was just to make a battlefield in the field and get Serbia to be punished and not go to the EURO. Serbia should have been awarded with the 3 points, or at least the match should have been repeated (we wanted to play, your players were just too afraid to play and you counted that UEFA would punish Serbia :P ). Yes, the decition of UeFA was very unfair, but for Serbia!

I really have a question. I saw in tv celebrations in Albania after the game... What were you celebrating? That you didn't lost and got the match to be interrompted? I really don't understand what were the reasons for celebration in Albania.

And regarding the "shrinking" issue Eni.Sukthi.Durres. I love history and I know quite well all periods in our region, so I was, and I still am, very curious to know at what historical period was Albania big and now shrinked? You can only be referring to the WWII when Italians gave you some parts of Yugoslavia and it lasted just until Nazis and fascist were kicked out. If you see Great Albania youll see that besides that period, Albania never had any control over Serbian and Montenegrin territories. You just dream a Great Albania and you imagine it existed, but it didn't :)

And if I were thinking same way as you do, how should Serbs feel when they see Serbian Empire? Or ... oh you are from Durres!... look: Drač County. FkpCascais (talk) 05:01, 27 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Poor you and your people for what kind of fool things have you in your head !!!!!! First of many, you call it racism to say for you that you came from south Russia?! Then what do we can call what you did to us in start of the match when players came on the pitch, where you as the fans singed 'kill albanians, death for them" etc.? Yes this is what you have to bann from the competition, for racism, which it's forbidden by UEFA himself, but guess what? Platini is corrupted and favorised you.

Let's continue: How do you know that the flag was put in by us at the stadium, how do u know that it wasn't puted by your people to blamed us? Yuo still call it right the decision that the match was awarded for you 3-0? So you made racism, physique violence at opponent which came to play football, and then you want the a win as a award? The security was to not allow conflict between peoples not to become violents with us. The security also it's responsible for the flag who came on the stadium, but not remained behind and the federation for organisation of the match.

We celebrated for our "300 spartans" which didn't had afraid of your huligans, your animals which can't called people humans. You are such of cowards that you talking bullshit to media because you're afraid of the revenge.

it's writted that you came to the Europe in the years 1200: Serbs established several states in the early Middle Ages following the Slavic migrations. The Serbian Kingdom obtained recognition by Rome and Constantinople in 1217; the state was elevated to the Serbian Empire, in 1346. so don't ask to have territores here and don';t be a fool because at Greater Albania you can see at images what I said previously above that Novi Pazar and Preševo Valley also, and west of Macedonia, East of Montenegro and north-west Greece are completely ours, before 1913.

So you serb, don't trust so much at media and the history of what at your country it's said because everybody speaks well for them selves. Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 20:41, 28 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

All images at Greater Albania are just imagination and projects that never happened along with maps showing ethnic composition which by no means mean that the territory was yours. Please show me a year when Albania was independent and big. Please. I showed you when Serbia was independent and big, now it is your turn. You are the one here trusting media and propaganda, while I am showing you historical facts. FkpCascais (talk) 21:00, 28 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

And if you call Serbs - South Russians (we are just as Russians as Bulgarians, Poles or Czechs are, we are all Slavic people) I can call you Littoral Serb as your city was the capital of Littoral Serbia (Drač county)... You are not Eni Sukhti but Ilija Sukić from Drač lol its just that Turks brainwashed your past and made you a separate ethnic group. FkpCascais (talk) 21:05, 28 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

We didn't come in 12 century, we came in 6 century, read History of Serbia and imediatelly build an independent state. What you were reading about 12 century was referring just to the Serbian Empire only, but Serbs had numerous kingdoms and states before that. FkpCascais (talk) 21:15, 28 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have no idea what bullshit you are talking about. Oh please don't be a fool, it's predicted that in 2035 map of europe and the world even, will change and my country Albania will take everuthing that they deserve. If maps at Greater Albania are imagination that never happenned then why wikipedia allow those kind of things? Comon now. If you don't believe anything we must wait what will happened but it's not necessary to spend time here mading debates here, we will see actions in the future. Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 21:28, 28 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You were never even fully independent in the history, only now in 20 century you became independent... Now go and search me maps and facts that back up your claims how Albania was once big nd now shrinked and blabla. I want facts, not dreams pal.ˇFkpCascais (talk) 21:34, 28 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I brought you 2 maps showing how Serbia was big and now shrinked. I want you to show me the same but for Albania. Show me a map or an article of how Albania was once big and now shrinked. And the maps at Greater Albania are just showing ethnic structure and the PROPOSED Albanian vilayet, which NEVER existed, and even if it was allowed by Turks, it would just have been an Otoman province, not an independent country. See the difference between Serbian kingdoms and empire which were independent, and Albanian dreams and projects? FkpCascais (talk) 21:39, 28 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

my time it's Gold, I don't have to spend to convice you for that, but as i said, we will see what happen in the future to prove what's true and what is lie, a big lie even. You agree? Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 21:40, 28 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, escape... You don't have any maps or articles because Albania was never big or shrinked or blabla... You just talk bullshit, go to school pal and learn some history. Good bye you nationalist dreamer and keep on hating Serbs, good for you, do whatever. If something shrinked it was not Albania for sure, but your brain... FkpCascais (talk) 21:43, 28 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

And I don't know what will happened in the future, but all I know is that we Serb at least we had independent kingdoms and even an Empire, and you had nothing but Italian/Soviet/Turk dependencies. Even now you need Americans to fight us, shame on you. And you come to me talking some bullshit about how Albania was big? How dare you? I like Albania and I like Albanian and European history, but I hate nationalists ignorants like you who talk bullshit without knowing shit. FkpCascais (talk) 21:50, 28 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

People like you are the dishonor of educated Albanians, and the reason why Albania is at the bottom of Europe. ... You deserve Novi Pazar (lol?)... I will not even say here what you deserve... FkpCascais (talk) 21:57, 28 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Say it if you can, but you're coward like all of you. You are simple some suckers who stand united like sheeps, instead us that we stand alone like lions or Chuck Norris, lolololololol. Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 12:52, 29 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You must be joking, because if Serbs are known for anything is our bravery, sometimes even fulish and almost suicidal. Ever since we allways fought against everyone wanting to fight us, often much stronger then us. We fought Byzantine Empire, Bulgarian Empire, Republic of Venice, Hungaria, etc. and then we built our medieval kingdom that grew so strong that it became an Empire. Serbian Empire was at the doors of Constantinople (Istambul) when our Emperor Dusan Silni died and then our nobles started fighting eachother for power (civil war) and Ottomans (Turks) took advantage of that situation and started their conquests in Europe. If Emperor Dusan didn't died, Turks would not have invaded the Balkans and made all the mess they made in the entire region for 500 years and there would not have been Muslim Albanians neither Bosnians and we would all have been advanced just as the rest of Europe. However despite Dusans death we fought the Ottomans. Then after kicking Turks out of Central and Western Balkans (again, Serbs were the first ones to liberate ourself from Turks, with Greeks as second ones), we stood up braves against a much much stronger Austro-Hungarian Empire and the entire world knows that we fighting Autro-Hungary was the tart of the First World War. While 99% of countries would just curve to Austrians, we didn't, and we were not afraid to fight against a 10 times bigger opponent and we were even more weaker at that time because we had just been loosing lives in the Balkan Wars which, by the way, we won both. At the end we won and Yugoslavia was created (the creation of Yugoslavia instead of a Greater Serbia is a long story). Then Second World War started and again, Serbs were fighting a much stronger opponent, and at the end we won! Serbs along with other Yugoslavs, were among the best ones in kicking Nazis ass. And you Albanians immediately joined the Axis and attacked us. We were attacked by all sides, by Nazi Germany, Mussolini Italy, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria and, of course, you Albania :) And we won in the end :P ... Then after the war, when all countries in Eastern Europe were subjugated by Stalins USSR, we bravely said "No!" to Russians and we created the Non-Aligned Movement. Then when the rulers of the world decided in the late 1980s that Yugoslavia was to be dismembered so no leftist movement (Titoism) will be recorded as positive and successfull in the history books, we, Serbs, along with Montenegrins, were the ones defending Yugoslavia. And we fought entire NATO, the United States army, and their puppets Croatian, Bosnian and KLA armies. We were so brave that we went to fight United States. So you are telling me that we are not brave? We are probably the craziest nation in the world which fought allways for our freedom against much bigger and stronger adversaries and we usually win! And you know very well that if it wasn't for the Americans, your KLA would just have been aniquilated in just a few days. So, resuming, we fought the Bizantine Empire, Hungary, Bulgarian Empire, Ottoman Empire, Autria, Austro-Hungarian Empire, Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Italian Albania, Nazi Croatia, then we challenged Soviet Union and we showed them our power (see Tito-Stalin split) and more recently in the 1990s we fought Croatia, Bosnia and all Mujahedeens, KLA terrorists, then the United States army plus entire NATO... Millions and millions of Serbs died in all this wars, but at least no one can say we were not brave. Who did you, Albania, fought? The one Albanian you can be proud of is Skenderbeg, he was a great leader and a friend and ally of Serbs. FkpCascais (talk) 16:59, 29 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You don't have nothing what to do that writtes so long bullshit. You showed who you really are at the 'football' match on 14th october. Ah I forget, what you can say to me about Srebrenica massacre. Stop talking shit cause we know you. You don't belong here on europe cause you came from russia. Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 20:52, 29 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What you call "so long bullshit" is called history, something you don't have any knolledge about :) You can only dream pal being what I am. Now get a fuck out of my talk-page and do your little shit somewhere else if you don't have anything intelligent to say. It is not my fault we had an Empire and were big and brave in the past. You came here talking lies and you got ridiculised, and now I hope you know that you were never big neither you shrinked. Be happy and proud with what you have, don't lie or pretend you had bigger history than the one you had. Read some history first and educate yourself. I feel sorry for frustrated nationalists like you, I hope one day you learn the good things in life. FkpCascais (talk) 22:04, 29 October 2014 (UTC) And just for you: Drač County. Serbian troops were welcomed in Durres. Also another thing, we Serbs have little to do with Russians beside historical friendship and sharing Slavic blood and Orthodox fate. But we almost had war with Russia only 60 years ago. We don't need nobody to defend us, while you opened your legs to Americans "Oh, please help us! Please!!!" FkpCascais (talk) 22:21, 29 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hope we're alive to see whar will happen in the future and you suckers will remain like shit . Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 13:00, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I am so afraid ... I am pissing myself in the pants... :P ... Im still waiting for you to tell me what year was Albania big. You should read your own history for your own good so you don't embarace yourself in the future anymore by saying stupid things like those. FkpCascais (talk) 14:30, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep talking too much shit.....

Viva Albania, Grande Albania Eni.Sukthi.Durres (talk) 20:46, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

So, no year? Ahahaha ... Eni from Drač County :P FkpCascais (talk) 21:05, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]